If you can’t find any beauty in what America has accomplished in 250 years, you’re being willfully ignorant. This country is in a desperately fucked up state right now, and it’s been even worse throughout history, but to pretend that the only version of America that exists is when we are at our very worst is just intellectually dishonest.
Advance fascism across the globe? Make multiple trillionnaires and deepen the class divide into a chasm? Kill children through willing propagation of weapons? Spread opium everywhere? Develop a militaristic ethno state that sells weapons to genocidal maniacs, and uses them for genocide themselves?
I’m all for pointing out everything currently and historically wrong with any country, but you’re doing the “intellectually dishonest” thing. The question wasn’t whether you could point out a shitload of bad stuff, but whether you could see any good.
The British empire did a shitload of terrible stuff, that doesn’t mean leading the way in global industrialisation and bringing hundreds of millions out of starvation was one of them.
Germany has done terrible shit, but starting the predecessor to the EU and thereby heavily contributing to the most peaceful and prosperous eighty years western Europe has ever seen is usually seen as a good thing.
The US has done terrible shit, as you point out. Being a catalyst and inspiration for the global spread of democracy is usually seen as a positive. Being a core actor in the formation of the UN, helping build a post-WWII rule-based world order is usually also seen as a positive. US aid contributing hundreds of millions of people getting access to education, vaccines, medicine, and catastrophe-release is normally seen in a positive light.
No, the other person showed up at a post about the death of an artist just to turn it into an anti-America post instead of being about the artist.
Yes, the US has issues, and maybe the bad outweighs the good, but as the other comment says there is some good there too. I don’t see why the comment above decided to move the comments in this direction, but it’s not the comment you’re responding to’s fault.
FTFY
If you can’t find any beauty in what America has accomplished in 250 years, you’re being willfully ignorant. This country is in a desperately fucked up state right now, and it’s been even worse throughout history, but to pretend that the only version of America that exists is when we are at our very worst is just intellectually dishonest.
It’s been bad for as long as my people can remember.
Advance fascism across the globe? Make multiple trillionnaires and deepen the class divide into a chasm? Kill children through willing propagation of weapons? Spread opium everywhere? Develop a militaristic ethno state that sells weapons to genocidal maniacs, and uses them for genocide themselves?
I’m all for pointing out everything currently and historically wrong with any country, but you’re doing the “intellectually dishonest” thing. The question wasn’t whether you could point out a shitload of bad stuff, but whether you could see any good.
The British empire did a shitload of terrible stuff, that doesn’t mean leading the way in global industrialisation and bringing hundreds of millions out of starvation was one of them.
Germany has done terrible shit, but starting the predecessor to the EU and thereby heavily contributing to the most peaceful and prosperous eighty years western Europe has ever seen is usually seen as a good thing.
The US has done terrible shit, as you point out. Being a catalyst and inspiration for the global spread of democracy is usually seen as a positive. Being a core actor in the formation of the UN, helping build a post-WWII rule-based world order is usually also seen as a positive. US aid contributing hundreds of millions of people getting access to education, vaccines, medicine, and catastrophe-release is normally seen in a positive light.
Willful ignorance. Unless you seriously believe the US was not doing most of the terrible things I mentioned while doing the positives you brought up.
There aren’t any trillionaires yet if I’m not mistaken.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Selective-Reading
Ok, well that wasn’t my intention. You’re right, the US absolutely did all those other things.
Thank you for showing up at a post about the death of an artist so you could brag about how hot shit the USA is.
Just awesome. Keep the hits coming.
No, the other person showed up at a post about the death of an artist just to turn it into an anti-America post instead of being about the artist.
Yes, the US has issues, and maybe the bad outweighs the good, but as the other comment says there is some good there too. I don’t see why the comment above decided to move the comments in this direction, but it’s not the comment you’re responding to’s fault.
It was a hate crime murder. Seems the US is a shit place for gay people to live to me.