I’m what’s known as a chronic hopper. I’m always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I’m here to ask you about browsers specifically. I’m fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.

Don’t feel the need to read the list. I’ll be more than happy to just hear your answers!

  • Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn’t hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I’ve used it so much that I needed a change.
  • Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like… once a decade…
  • Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that’s pretty much all it has. A browser that’s literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
  • Brave: There’s been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn’t very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn’t need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
  • Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I’ve seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I’d BSOD. This was a combination of the browser’s stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
  • Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There’s a few main points as to why I don’t use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can’t seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
  • Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I’ve never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven’t really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there’s not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there’s something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I’m just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they’ve become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I’ve also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn’t really for me. I don’t want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.

So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I’ve tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I’m amazed at what they’ve done so far and very excited for it’s release. For now I’ve returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I’m very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you’ve used for a long time or if there’s something that you can’t do without.

Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn’t want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I’ve seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I’m very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.

Edit: I feel like I’m answering very quickly, but want you to know that I’m not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I’m set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can’t answer everyone, so I’m sorry if I missed your reply!

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    Vivaldi

    • I love the UI and its customizability
    • They are active participants in the Fediverse (@vivaldi@vivaldi.net) and they even have their own Mastodon instance for users (Vivaldi.social)
    • Based in Europe
    • Most importantly, they reject the crypto and AI hype trains

    My backup is Firefox but I have also been trying out Librewolf.

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      Zen Browser keeps me from going back to Vivaldi (I do love Vivaldi, don’t get me wrong). They added the best of Vivaldi to Firefox. Workspaces, essential tabs, tiled tab windows, and side toolbars. There’s a mod that reorganizes the theming to work with Firefox themes, but you can also right click the tab bar and pick any color under the sun, even multicolor gradients (I think up to 5 colors).

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      I’m a big fan of Vivaldi as well for all the reason you mentioned, but also it’s more lightweight than Chrome and still supports uBlock

  • Librewolf, although i tested zen browser for a while and since then i am running a vertical tab bar - it made me realize that this way the screen space is used much better! Had the same lag issues with zen, but i’ll keep it installed and will check it out again later, because stuff like the sneak peek is great!

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    Zen browser at the moment, it includes a lot of UI and UX tweaks that I was already trying to do via CSS and extensions in Firefox, but it does them a lot cleaner. Definitely an opinionated appearance though, won’t be for everyone but so far I am enjoying it. My only gripe has been that I can’t disable workspaces and keeping them active seems to keep a hidden tab open all the time, so closing a window always asks me to confirm “closing 2 tabs” even though I have 1 or none open.

    I previously was using Librewolf to disable Mozilla’s tracking, but after it wiped my browsing history and made some weird user agent change which broke almost every website I have given up on it. The extra bit of privacy wasn’t worth the headache, and the TOR-like defaults exemplify that it’s a more hardcore browser than I need. As far as I can Zen browser is about the same as vanilla Firefox for privacy issues, so not perfect but not as bad as Chrome.

    I refuse to use anything Chromium anymore, but I tried out a bunch of those as well some years ago. Vivaldi was my favourite for it’s features, but man whatever they did to tweak the UI resulted in a lot of bugs… I had weekly crashes on that browser over two different hardware setups.

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        I actually used Orion Browser I thought it was fantastic but I quickly got some weird bugs and had to go back to using safari. My Go to browsers and Zen, Vivaldi and Safari (because of how power efficient it is on my MacBook).

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          There’s nothing wrong with Safari at all. I have my irks with Apple tech, but honestly they’re probably one of the safer big corporations imo. I do love Airpods, though. I have a pair of Max and I can’t get by with any other headphones now, lol. I just can’t get used to mac and iOS, especially since I love open source android apps.

          Makes sense about Orion. Its still brand new. Zen and Vivaldi are two of my absolute favorites, as well. I just switched back to Zen. I felt that Zen was weirdly more sluggish than Floorp for some reason. I mulled on it a bit and figured it out. mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y is set to 300 in Floorp and 200 in Zen. I set it to 300 and it feels so much better.

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            Safari is my daily driver but I also have Firefox and edge installed for other things. I was just anticipating getting shit on for actually liking safari.

            Firefox is fast and useful for stubborn web pages that just refuse to cooperate. Edge is great for when I need a chromium browser for something since I refuse to install chrome on my hardware. Sometimes I need webserial and that’s just not going to happen in safari. Firefox is good for quick dives into I2P and other funkiness I want to play around with.

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              I usually try to opt for Vivaldi for anything I need for Chromium. I know Microsoft too well at this point (since Windows 3.14). Like, Swiftkey is my favorite android keyboard and I forced myself to learn how to use Thumbkey. That’s how much I just can’t trust them anymore.

              I only use Chrome if I’m going to be doing web development. That being said, I have heard decent things about Edge’s performance lately. I could have dealt with MS shoving AI down my throat, but pics of my screen and ads in my start bar was the last straw.

              Too bad I enjoy Github and Minecraft… otherwise I’d avoid their software altogether.

              I actually trust Apple’s security. They make bank on high end devices for high prices, enough where they don’t need to rely on collecting and selling user data. Iirc, the only thing that really collects your data is Apple Music and Apple TV, but every paid sub streaming platform does that.

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                Dont even get me started on software keyboards. Microsoft used to make one called word flow that I absolutely loved and they killed it. I cant handle big phones without it so I went back to smaller phones once it died.

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    I use multiple browsers for different things:

    Vivaldi - for work or personal projects because the workspaces and tab stacking allows me to keep an “L1 cache” of all the sites relevant to parts of projects I’m working on. Then when I’m done with that work the useful ones get bookmarked for future use.

    Firefox - personal browsing i.e. watching stuff, shopping, etc. because I wanted off chrome so I could continue to use adblockers.

    Brave - research purposes.

    Opera - for the occasional use of a VPN for getting around geoblocking.

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    I skimmed all the comments and it looks like I’ll be the first: Chrome. Not Chromium, or any fork. Just Google Chrome. Even on my Ubuntu HTPC.

    I’ve used it since it was new and blew everything else out of the water for smoothness. Over time I’ve gotten used to features like sync and profiles, and tab groups. Now my life is too busy to put ideology over convenience, and since uBlock Lite seems to work fine for me on Manifest v3, I really don’t have a particularly strong reason to change.

    My second browser is Firefox, but it’s literally only for NSFW things. To try migrating over, they would have to implement profiles better so that this can coexist with my main usage.

    Sometimes I also use Edge to keep different logins, although I could also achieve the same with profiles on Chrome now.

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      I’ll give you an upvote for courage, lol. I just can’t do it, myself. I’m not a fan of Google’s moral ethics. Every time I open Chrome I feel vulnerable.

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    Librewolf. It does everything i need, and nothing i don’t. It doesn’t have bloatware or adware, and it respects my privacy. That’s all I care about, besides that it can still do everything I need a browser to do.

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      I need to try Librewolf. I’ve seen the praises it gets here on Lemmy. I’ve been holding off, because I feel like Floorp is very similar. I may try Firedragon as well, but I feel like it may be rather bloated as far as FF forks go.

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        IIRC, Firedragon is Floorp with the best of Librewolf.

        I was using it until a couple of months ago, when an update not only wiped all my open pages but also all the workspaces I’d created.

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          Ohhhh, okay. That would give me more of an incentive to try it. I always just assumed it was Garuda’s browser to match its KDE Sweet theme aesthetic. Excuse me while I go download a fifth browser for this PC.

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      I’ve tried a good amount of Firefox forks and Librewolf is hands down my fav. God tier browser imo

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      Lol, brief time and more in the general public. Very brief time, before it even had a mobile app. I was still on Reddit then, and it was the number one recommended everywhere. I’m foggy, but I believe it didn’t even have the wallet at the time (though correct me if I’m wrong, because I may be).

      I’ve been following browser trends since Netscape Navigator, and I catch the small shifts, no matter how brief. Though, admittedly, it may have just been the groups I ran in that used it. I can’t speak for everyone, just what I saw at the time.

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        I doubt it ever, even for a single day, cracked the top 3 downloads for a browser. Maybe top 3 mobile browsers in terms of downloads over a brief stretch, but not in terms of market share overall

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          Oh, no I doubt that as well. Like I said, the communities I ran in were all praising it and recommending it at the time. I’ve seen the graph charts for browser downloads. The top 3 are monoliths. But Brave did stand out for a time.

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    Firefox.

    Because it’s not Chromium based so it’s not subject to any changes to the underlying code that might do something stupid like stop ad blockers from working.

    I had been using FireFox since it’s launch. The only reason I ever switch to Chrome originally was because, at the time, Firefox was crashing like every 10 minutes after an update it had. Chrome ended up being faster and, at that time, used less resources.

    Switched back the moment news about Manifest V3 started being reported on a few years back.

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      That’s a big one for me. It’s why I mainly use Firefox forks. I’m feeling pretty anti-Google these days, anyway. Though there is a stripped down Chromium browser that’s supposed to be de-Googled and I think still allows ad blockers. I think, I’m not 100% sure. It’s just simply called Chromium. I used to run it on my Pi4, because it took the least amount of resources and was the smoothest experience.

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        Chromium is just the open-source component of the Chrome browser, so it will still come with any code changes that Chrome make to break ad blocking and so on.

        You mention right at the top that there were no issues with FF. It might not be exciting, but it doesn’t prevent ad blockers or anything else for that matter. There’s a reason why it’s the first browser I recommend to anyone for anything.

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          No, I agree. I’ve had 0 problems with it and it will be my first recommendations to newer users, as well. I always tell people to be careful with extensions though, as Mozilla states that they do not review every extension and you could add something nefarious.

          I mean, that could be the same for Chrome, but it’s been so long since I’ve touched that browser that I don’t even know what it looks like anymore, let alone what their addon policy is.

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      Ladybird is the most exciting thing to happen to browsers. Madlads really doing it, building from the ground up. I have mad respect for them. I gotta see if they have a donation page and give them some support. I want this to work and blow everything else out of the water.

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        For sure! I only heard about it recently but it’s so exciting and they’ve already made so much progress. I’ll definitely be switching once it’s deemed to be in a releasable state.

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    LibreWolf, I’ve been using Firefox ever since I switched from Mozilla browser, but nowadays with what Mozilla is doing I felt compelled to switch to LibreWolf and IronFox.

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      You’re the first other user I’ve seen to mention IronFox. I have it as a backup. Its relatively new, isn’t it? And it goes beyond to make sure it’s privacy first. To the point where it won’t even connect to third party apps for login purposes. Definitely my dark horse Android browser.

      Iirc, you have to add the repository to F-Droid, which keeps it from being recognized more.

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        Ah that’s why it doesn’t show me the KeePassX logins, I was wondering if I broke something :D

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          Yeah, that’s what I’ve noticed, anyway. There’s a massive amount of settings to mess with, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you could change it to work. But that would just make it like any other fork, so I mainly stick with Fennec.

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    Firefox. Because using even a slightly sketchy browser for shit like banking logins is insane.

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    Zen, a heavily modified firefox. A different design paradigm than every other browser, which I personally like. Easy hot keys, runs on any OS, lots of customizability.

    Needless to say I’m a big fan!

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      I keep Zen around for the same reason. However, right now its fairly laggy and buggy so I keep checking back after updates.

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      Yeah, I never thought I’d be a vertical tabs fan, but I am really loving it in combination with their compact mode. Really nice layout with the containers, pinned tabs and essential tabs! Also really digging the Glance feature and floating URL bar. I’m really looking forward to folder support!