As Israel seeks reliable partners for its reconstruction journey, Central offers more than technical strength, it brings a powerful national spirit. It brings the story of Vietnam, a nation that has risen from war to rebuild itself. And now that spirit continues in the Mediterranean, where Central is laying the foundations for sustainable values and a bold vision for the future.
am i supposed to feel gross or cringe at this sht
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I think people should study past and present AES countries and understand that none of them outside of the DPRK had ever been great towards Palestine. And you can’t blame it on Khrushchev or Dengism or any of the various boogeyman. Khrushchev wasn’t in charge when the Soviet Union became the first country to grant the Zionist entity legal legitimacy.
For states that have always had a principled stance towards Palestine, it’s basically the DPRK, the IRI, Algeria, Libya under Gaddafi, and various Arab states when they were ruled by some Baathist party (Egypt under Nasser, Syria under Assad). Every other past or present country either actively support the genocide, pretend to not support the genocide while still actively supporting the genocide, play both sides, or are too remote (or pretend to be too remote) to make a real difference.
And my dear Comandante Chávez
And yet, every Stalinist’s bugaboo, Leon Trotsky, was an anti-zionist.
The position of most socialist states on Israel has been disgraceful since the end of the Soviet Union. A massive black mark on these countries’ histories.
Daily reminder that the first country to officially recognize the Zionist entity was the Soviet Union, three days after the so-called founding of the Zionist entity in May 14, 1948. The Soviet Union is absolutely not the country to look to if you’re trying to pontificate on how current AES countries are failing live up to whatever standard you’re setting up for them with respect to the Zionist entity. At least say that China and Vietnam should follow the example of the DPRK, a country that has never once recognized the Zionist entity and continues to send arms to Palestinians.
I don’t think the Soviet Union has once directly helped Palestinians in its entire history. China at least helped the PFLP (and continue to still help since Chinese ATGMs somehow managed to appear in Hamas’s hands). At best, the Soviet Union supported a bunch of communist parties in WANA that started out as pro-Zionist before eventually changing their tune. That’s pretty much it.
It’s true that the dissolution of the USSR in the early 1990s marked the end of internationalist leftist movements across the world and the unfettered rise of neoliberalism.
However, the seeds had been sown long before that. China entered into a “marriage of convenience” with the US in the 1970s because Mao and later Deng perceived the USSR as trying to surround China through Vietnam. China’s alliance with the US not only saved the US from its declining hegemony in the 70s, they both collectively killed the USSR in the process.
Obviously, Vietnam, having to repel American imperialist forces, sided with the USSR. So, even though Vietnam won the war against the Americans, they were still the losers in the post-Cold War geopolitical reshuffling, with China reaping the rewards for their alliance with the US.
In a way, it’s ironic to see that Vietnam today is proactively seeking to side with the US empire (perhaps even trying to help saving the declining empire with whatever it has to offer) to get ahead of China - maybe they feel like they missed out on the last time the world underwent a substantial reshuffling of trade relations?
The position of most socialist states on Israel has been disgraceful since the end of the Soviet Union.
Let’s be honest, post-world war II USSR never really believed in the so called internationalism, China believed in that shit and paid the price with the life with their million of deaths in the Korean Peninsula while the USSR did some dogfights (they also boycotted the vote which failed to veto on the United Nations vote on going into the Koreas, giving legitimacy to the war)
After the 60s and after the USSR willingness to coexist with the US, it was pretty much the nail in the coffin. Rashid Khalidi recounted once that when he teached in Lebanon and has contact with the PLO that after the 6 days war, the USSR already started to exit more and more from the Middle East, leaving the communist parties to fend off themselves against the Nasser Government and the Baath parties. It all ended with a convocation of PLO in Beirut by USSR diplomats telling them that “they are on their own we are out of here” (that was in the 80s iirc)
The lesson here is once you integrate into the international system, you played by their rules, you set standard for yourself based on the international rules. Only regimes brave enough in the history that manages to break off from the system, win and reintegrate into the system have a better bargaining position can see changes for themselves.
While this is true, it still cannot be denied that the sole existence of the USSR was enough to pressure the capitalist class within its geographical proximity into social reforms (especially post-war Europe) and the USSR itself was indispensable for many of the post-war decolonization and national liberation projects, even though the USSR itself doesn’t have the cleanest record and often (but not always) act on its own self-interest.
No such equivalent exists since the 1990s, and why all the internationalist left wing movements that have fought throughout the 20th century soon all died out, or have been absorbed into the new globalization order.
It is true though that the Mao-Stalin rift had been apparent since the 1950, just before the Korean War broke out. The two really did not like each other lol.
However, it needs to be said that Stalin truly did not expect Mao to fight the Americans to the end. Mao had been flirting with a potential alliance with the US after the Japanese surrendered (during the Civil War), before turning to the USSR. Obviously, Stalin was also being an asshole for carving out Outer Mongolia as a Soviet sphere territory as well as his reluctance to return Port Arthur to Chinese sovereignty. It was the great sacrifice of the People’s Volunteer Army in the Korean Peninsula that truly earned Stalin’s respect for Mao, saw Mao as an equal, and the USSR fully opened up to China, both economically and technologically, after that.
I might be harsh on the USSR but think we are not so divergent on our opinions. Even when China and USSR ratfucked eachother on multiple occasions, USSR under Khrushchev did help China with technological transfers and development which is greater than the Marshall plan in the whole Europe according to Jeremy Friedman, author of Shadow Cold War: The Sino-Soviet Competition for the Third World.
My main point is that alternative regimes such as the USSR and Mao-China cannot survive or by extend change the world by integrating into a system that they have significant leverage. I don’t think it is coincidental that the most isolationist period of China is also the one where they actively try to partake into diplomatic games with the 3rd world and the West (which in the long run did preserve and elevated them when they reintegrate into the system).
as the saying goes: 天高皇帝遠. Once you can detach from the system is when it’s possible to dream again.
Oh I mostly agreed with you, just to add a bit more context and nuance to them.
The technology transfer was absolutely indispensable for China building up its industrial and scientific bases, as you said. Here I’m recommending《苏联技术对中国的转移（1949-1966）》(Technology Transfer From the Soviet Union To The P. R. China) (2005) by 张柏春 et al. Very academic but lots of very interesting details from their research.
ussr litterally threatened to nuke west if they did not pull out of egypt. You can see support from ussr on many countries independece. Even my country got its independence with ussr’s help.
It’s really making me think that maybe “selfishness” really is human nature after all. Looking at this.
Damn time to abandon Marxism
urgin for a purgin
People get so confused, but understand that Vietnam is poised to be a big winner from this whole global trade reconfiguration if they lick the American boots hard enough.
The decision to concentrate the global industrial capacity in China was a deliberate US imperial strategy. And there was a reason for that: the land reform already implemented in communist countries gave the those countries the unique advantage of not having to deal with local landlords when it comes to seizing land to build industrial areas/infrastructure. This is why it had to be China, whereas other developing countries like India would have a much harder time accommodating foreign capitalists if the local landlords keep blocking the government from building vast transportation network and infrastructures.
Now that the US is looking to “decouple” from China, Vietnam is seeking to take advantage of its status as a communist country (ironic, I know) to displace the role that China has played. It wants to be the next China that has tremendously benefited from the last 30 years of neoliberal free trade regime.
I sometimes wonder if countries who understand historical materialism are simply more realistic than the others when it comes to taking advantage of the global capitalist system?
However, for those who don’t know, Vietnam has relatively strong workers protection laws (maximum of 40 hours overtime per month, and not more than 200 hours annually). Such limits do not exist in China and you can work as long as you like without limits. We know this because on the Chinese internet, there are businessowners who have set up factories in Vietnam only to find out that they couldn’t exploit the workers in Vietnam as hard as they could back in China, and proceeded to complain about it on the internet lol. (Of course, you can also read about it on the doing business with Vietnam website here)
So if Vietnam truly wants to “compete” with China, I wonder if they will have to give up their labor protection laws as well?
I think a lot of people don’t understand that low profile countries like Azerbaijan, Vietnam and greater extend the Gulf countries tend to come up on top economically by being the middle man in between 2 trading entities.
This is how the Hasburg transformed from a simple toll collector in the junction point to Central Europe into being the monarchical house ruling over several countries in Europe
I am still shocked from the China sending 6000 workers to build for Zionist settlers bit last week and now this happens
Chinese Labour in Israel is pretty old at that point, there are economic exchanges between Israel and China for years now. I remembered watching some Chinese documentaries about Chinese Workers in Israel in the 90s. China also own part of the port in Haifa. On the side, 2 years ago when I was in China, I watched a documentary on TV talking about Military history and there is an episode praising Moshe Dayan and his ability to win the 6 days war.
Some people say the Chinese government can’t control private Chinese firms and their activities oversea but at the same time praising the government that it has the abilities to curb their Chinese firms because of political structure is just dishonest.
Anyone who said that China cares about Palestinians is disillusional and anyone mentioning some flimsy “proof” that China is helping Palestine is just people trying to find gold in a pile of shit.
Wtf Vietnam?
Nothing but bad news lately. I miss the USSR.
The fall of the USSR was objectively a tragedy for humanity, and a big victory for barbarism.
I don’t miss the part of the Soviet Union that was the first country in the world to officially recognize the Zionist entity.
Is it safe to say that Internationalism is dead? Truly dead?
Hell they’re expressing more solidarity with the fucking genocide state than they do with Palestinians. I don’t know if Vietnam even mentioned anything about Palestinians.
Jesus christ. Almost every country is just treating Palestinians as an inconvenience.
What? This isnt a new development. China send military aid against leftists rebels in Nepal and the Phillipines. The fact that BRICS exist is a move away from the 90s dont rock the boat.
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We’re approaching liberal coup levels of fuckery from Vietnam’s goverment, they gonna recreate South Vietnam and install a corrupt catholic monarchy next?
does vietnam need a great proletarian cultural revolution
young people and most of the population are pro-palestine, the problems comes from old people and the old leadership
They never laid off the old 90s assimilation into the us empire tactic.
So yes, it does need a GPCR
Uncle, please wake up.
I can see the benefits of the “we’ll work with everyone” foreign policy of most modern AES states but goddamn Israel, especially now, should be an exception. Like I’m looking at this construction company Central and they don’t look like they’re hurting for money, just take the hit and tell them they can’t work with Israel.
EDIT: It’s even worse
Under Vietnam News Agency (@vna_en), an article extending solidarity with Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people was published on May 22nd. I’m not surprised, but it must be said: an extremely disturbing transformation of Vietnam’s position on the genocide is happening.
Really hitting it out of the park this week
Vietnamese party officials like “thank you to my parents who died to keep us free so I can slurp on imperialist dick 18 rs a day”
How the hell do you spend 1.5 billion building a golf course?
What is going on over there in Vietnam?
the communists may have won the battle but the war continues and they can only hold out for so long
