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  • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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    In the conversation of very smart animals the usual suspects are corvids, primates, dolphins and elephants, sometimes octopi.

    So when I say “by our standards “ take it to mean the standards of mainstream conversation regarding intelligence. I don’t know much about the actual intelligence of lizards and I would not presume to ever be able to measure it correctly as human bias would make it impossible to judge intelligence factually.

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      I don’t know much about the actual intelligence of lizards

      Then don’t talk about their intelligence.

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          When you casually call a type of animal stupid it is just a promise of violence against that animal at a later date, I don’t mean this as an attack or a gotcha, it is just unfortunately how humans work, your words have consequences, people love calling people stupid by comparing them to animals, let us not make it any easier than it already is.

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            I didn’t call them stupid. All I meant is that they are not what we consider in mainstream conversation the “smart animals” to illustrate a point. And I very much agree with you, I’m actually writing a piece making the argument that humans are not in fact, conclusively smarter than animals. We seem to be smarter due to our biases and because we have the ability to transfer knowledge more efficiently than other species. Because it is not clear to me that a human, tabula rasa, absent socialization and knowledge transfer would be much smarter than the average animal of any species.

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              I didn’t call them stupid. All I meant is that they are not what we consider in mainstream conversation the “smart animals” to illustrate a point.

              Then forget this framing ever existed or it will irrevocably hamper your insight on this topic.

              Referencing things like this “to make a point” still has consequences the same as talking about anything else does.