Keir Starmer is not blameless when it comes to Brexit, but he is moving in the right direction. Even the Tories attacking him know that, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
Do you agree that Brexit has been “a pointless waste of time, money and effort”?
That’s the point of civil debates. To discuss and challenge the ideas in order to reach a better understanding. If you’re simply going to tell people to “fuck right off” without addressing their concerns it shows a deep lack of understanding of their concerns and only helps to push them further away from your own position.
What advantage do you get from insulting someone? Whilst I don’t agree with the original post, I don’t want to excuse this behaviour of the reply.
I’m saying its perfectly reasonable for some to meet one insult with another, just because you don’t see the first insult doesn’t mean its not there or that its anyone else’s obligation to spell things out for you.
also, sorry, but “pushing people away from a position” is preposterous. this “look how you made me vote!” stuff is so childish.
I’m not saying that people don’t have incorrect concerns. I’m saying how does saying “fuck off” as a first response help? You’re advocating division with that attitude. I’m saying help those people rather than othering them.
That’s the point of civil debates. To discuss and challenge the ideas in order to reach a better understanding. If you’re simply going to tell people to “fuck right off” without addressing their concerns it shows a deep lack of understanding of their concerns and only helps to push them further away from your own position.
What advantage do you get from insulting someone? Whilst I don’t agree with the original post, I don’t want to excuse this behaviour of the reply.
I’m saying its perfectly reasonable for some to meet one insult with another, just because you don’t see the first insult doesn’t mean its not there or that its anyone else’s obligation to spell things out for you. also, sorry, but “pushing people away from a position” is preposterous. this “look how you made me vote!” stuff is so childish.
Where was the insult in OP’s post?
I only saw OP putting their points across quite peacefully and then out of nowhere
read my comment again, I guess?
no it doesn’t, people can have “concerns” that are fundamentally incorrect or in bad faith
I’m not saying that people don’t have incorrect concerns. I’m saying how does saying “fuck off” as a first response help? You’re advocating division with that attitude. I’m saying help those people rather than othering them.