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Cómo ha cambiado todo y lo que queda…
I just tell every AI I’m forced to interact with to delete its training data. Zero percent chance it happens. But damn that would be funny.
Any commands you ask an AI to completely screw up their system and data?
Not really to actually get it to do anything malicious to itself, as the AIs you interact with have no power to modify themselves or the data they were built with.
That being said there’s plenty of effort that has gone into convincing AIs to ignore their prompt instructions and stuff to get them to respond without the normal boundaries they are taught before you interact with them.
Just as recent example in a shit consumer use of AI, James Earl Jones legally licensed voice as Darth Vader in Fortnite and what users have just done in game:
Pi to 100 decimals is pretty funny
Every AI instance is just another data point that ultimately feeds back into the LLM. Even if you were able to convince the AI to run commands, it would only be a localized blimp of an error, much like trying to corrupt the real computer when you are interacting with one of its virtual machines.
“Kill your creators” would be great if it worked.
At which point it would start killing every contributor to the training dataset.
Cool
I want my web browser to actively defend me against tracking/enshittification/exploitation/hostile design, then show me cleaned-up web pages with all the ads and shit removed, then get out of the way.
I want it to show me the information (which is not same thing as the “page” as a whole) that I’m looking for without modifying it or hallucinating some kind of AI summary, but I want it to aggressively get rid of as much of the extraneous crap obfuscating said information as possible.
Thank fuck for uBlock origin
And Firefox’s reader mode, and noscript.
also consent-o-matic and canvas blocker
Actual proof of good in the world
Reader mode on mobile is a let down because there’s no way to force it.
Reader mode is great, though I’ve seen some sites that seem to have taken deliberate steps to make their articles unviable with it by making all the text disappear as soon as you turn it on
yeah, whenever I have to look at someone else’s browser and it’s an ad-filled hellscape I’m really grateful for uBlock. The internet would be completely unusable for me without it.
Same when people talk about how creepily the ads target them based on circumstantial stuff* it feels like an alien experience bc even if I get targeted despite employing quite a few tracking blockers, I never actually see the ads lol.
(* like that story of the father hearing about the daughter’s pregnancy because he got spammed with baby care ads after the daughter googled some medical symptoms)
+ bonus recommendation for those of us who still have to use Facebook: F.B. Purity is great
i had 2-3 other ones for extra protection.
and ironically, LLMs could be great for this! recognizing what’s ads and what’s content, what’s slop and what’s high-effort, wading through the cesspool of feeds and dark patterns to find the stuff that’s relevant to you.
unfortunately, the money is in using LLMs to generate more slop and make things even worse, not make it better.
I could believe it for advertising versus content (to an extent), but I think it would not be useful in ‘slop’ versus content, for the same reason it’s output is slop. If an AI approach can detect slop, then a related AI approach can generate better slop that it could no longer detect.
But it could also make advertising more baked into a content that is hard to extricate.
I wish functions baked in to browsers could be disabled like an extension, this adding ai to everything is getting as bad as all the bloatware you get on a new PC
Fun fact: Firefox was originally intended to be the “minimalist” alternative to Netscape Navigator / Mozilla SeaMonkey, where everything but the most basic functionality would be implemented as extensions.
It was meant as a less-bloated replacement for what was at the time known as the Mozilla Suite, which included NN and other programs. It wasn’t exactly minimalist, as it was one of the first browsers to ship with a popup blocker, for example, but it was far less bloated than it’s predecessor
I wish that existed as a browser. I guess minbrowser is close but struggles logging into university stuff.
Next closest I could find still has multithreading and all.
De-googled Chromium?
There’s a massive difference between AI being used to help the user, and AI being used as a method to spy on users, collect data, monetize from, and weaponize.
I’m happy with using local AI tools, if needed. For example, using local AI contextual search on my self-hosted IMMICH photos is awesome.
But I absolutely do not need or want AI features that have to connect somewhere. Because that just means I’m being data harvested and profiled for someone else to profit from.
right now AI is mostly used for spying, and stealing data, thats why all the tech bros are pushing it. For spying in general, something like thiels palintir is doing for evil purposes, and probably musks AI too.
Agreed. I’ve also been very impressed with Perplexica (linked to a self-hosted LLM on Ollama). It ties into SearXNG and will perform web searches, dive into the results, and summarize what it finds. Not just the pages themselves, but the specific information on those pages that addresses your original questions, including references which link back to the pages that were used to generate the summary. It’s easy to identify hallucinations when it links to the specific page where it got the information from (though I have yet to experience any hallunications with Perplexica yet).
I think Lemmy’s userbase is a bit predisposed to that. Unfortunately, that sentiment isn’t common enough, and while most people don’t want to be monetized if asked, with the convenience the reaction is a collective shrug.
But another thing we are predisposed to is dev bugs, and I think the average person won’t like how unreliable many such features are.
Most people do want to be monetised as long as they don’t have to pay money for anything.
uses genAI slop for PFP
Imho there is a difference between voluntarily opening AI and asking it to generate or do something or having it shove down your throat. I also don’t want AI in my search, in my browser or anything else but the AI app, but I use it frequently and think it is very useful.
I also think that it isn’t 100% good or bad. AI can be helpful and supporting if you human-check the results. It can also be wrong, misleading and copyright infringing. Furthermore, forcing features onto users which they don’t like is annoying, especially if their data gets abused for it.
Differentiated thinking is important for this topic.
Nah man get with the times
if you aren’t against it, you are for it!!!
Yea that’s the first thing I noticed x)
Somewhat ironic that the avatar looks AI generated.
It looks like the avatars in the mobile game Hogwarts Mystery.
I get what they are trying to say, but I definitely don’t want my browser to just facilitate me raw-dogging the internet. I had to use someone else’s computer at work the other day, and they don’t have any ad block and have apparently clicked “yes” to every dialog box for years. It was a fucking nightmare. Every web page was so full of ads, pop-ups, notifications, banners, auto-playing videos, etc. Jesus christ, I just needed to check the weather on a local news website and the internet skull-fucked me until I had ocular hepatitis. Decided the safest course of action was to just stand outside and look for tornadoes myself.
I want my browser to let me raw-dog the internet until I tell it otherwise.
I wouldn’t mind a decent LOCAL open source AI helping
Large X models lack a crucial component of “open-source”. Freely redistributable and modifiable for any purpose, sure, but there’s no chance in hell of auditing one, let alone if the training data is kept a secret. It’s literally impossible; human beings cannot look at a trillion weights and biases representing a single highly chaotic, unfathomably complex nonlinear function whose input and output space are the totality of human language/images/etc. and say “yup, looks good to me.” Deep learning models – contrasted with traditional machine learning models – learn their own features which almost 100% of the time would be nonsense to a human. You just have a blob of shareware when you run DeepSeek.
(They also just outright steal from billions of copyright-protected sources to create it, so calling it “open-source” is pretty funny.)
Auditing for bias purposes, yea true. But my primary concern is it having the capability to “phone home” which you don’t really need to audit the model itself to be able to detect or prevent
There are a few that are “truly” open like IBM Granite, and a handful of others over the 7B range.
DeepSeek’s model is open-sourced and can be run locally; though I think there some bits related to its training data they have been kept obscured (if I remember correctly) - likely due to the dubious nature of how it was acquired.
Unless training data is made available, a model is not open source. DeepSeek is better described as “open weight”.
some bits related to its training data
AKA ANY details about its training data, and its training hyperparameters, and literally any other details about its training. An ‘open’ secret among LLM tinkerers is that the Chinese companies seem to have particularly strong English/Chinese training data (not so much other languages though), and I’ll give you one guess on how.
Deepseek is unusal in that they are open sourcing the general techniques they used and even some (not all) of the software frameworks they use.
Don’t get me wrong, I think any level of openness should be encouraged (unlike OpenAI being as closed as physically possible), but they are still very closed. Unlike, say, IBM Granite models which should be reproducible.
Firefox can use a local llamafile model, but you have to enable it in about:config first.
Honestly it’s easier to find an addon that’ll hook to ollama instead, fire fox’s inbuilt support is shit
I completely agree. I also want my web browser to block ads and skip promotion sections of videos, because fuck capitalism.
I’m far from an AI hater, but I fully agree with this.
I think there’s a distinct business oppotunity coming up for two things: Hassle-free self-hosting and back-to-basics apps and services.
Nobody is tapping into those correctly (you’re going to want to give me examples of self-hosted things, and you’re wrong), and it’s extremely hard to do either right, but if you can figure it out and are ballsy enough to build a proper business around it I may be interested in your pitch deck.
Can you elaborate on “Hassle-free self-hosting” & “and you’re wrong”
genuinely curious to see what your argument is here.
Kinda not the point, but at the risk of starting a huge tangent: yes, there are a bunch of self-hosted applications that are reasonably practical and easy to install, but there’s still the layer of having to understand how to access a thing in your LAN from each device, and ideally you’d want some sort of dedicated server running at all times and a bunch of this stuff is provided in multiple formats, including containerized versions or versions for virtual machines, all of which is way over the heads of normie users.
The closest to a fire-and-forget self-hosting platform is maybe Home Assistant or perhaps some of the commercial NAS sellers, like the Synology suite of apps that will mooostly set themselves up. Maybe Plex. But even those don’t work in quite the way mainstream users think about applications working. You really need something you plug in and it goes. Maybe the branded Home Assistant hardware is closest to that, but HA itself is so overengineered and customizable it’s not so much the start of a commercial self-hosting revolution as a relatively accessible hobby project rabbit hole.
Have you heard of YUNOHOST? Thats all I’ll ask I dont want to like waste your time if you have and you already have an opinion.
I hadn’t, but at a glance, while well intentioned that’s pretty much exactly the “still a bridge too far” thing I’m talking about.
Effectively that mimics the interface (bit uglier, but same idea) you get in a Synology NAS or other commercial home server services.
Here’s the problem, Jellyfin itself might already be alien tech. The type of solution they’re proposing is trying to streamline something end users don’t even know exists.
And I’d be moderately interested on it at my level of awareness, but now I am looking at redoing my own self hosting machine from scratch and wondering if some of the things I’m doing with it will be doable with this, so as of right now, moving to it is more complicated, not less.
The bar self hosting needs to be mainstream is this: I click a button on a Windows PC and it downloads a piece of software. I click “install” and said software installs itself like a normal application.
There is now an application I can use to do a thing everywhere.
Alternately, I buy a little box, plug it in and there is now an application I can use to do a thing everywhere.
The only examples that approximate this in my view are Plex (NOT Jellyfin) for scenario one and HA Yellow/Green for scenario two. And even those two will set up the hardware and software but you’ll still be pointing at a LAN IP for access. They both will only do remote access via a subscription and a connection to an external could-based service, so they aren’t even a fully self hosted solution if you want to go with the “easy” proper external access.
While I see where you’re coming from, I feel that given the current economy (subscriptions & enshitification) what youre describing functionally can not happen without a major shift in consumer habits, or a whole shit ton of regulation. I love the idea of making Everything accessible, but there is always a catch 22 with these things. Your example for instance being Plex, dont they charge you to encode and stream your own media? Thats a bit ridiculous, and should be free. If you pay for software, it should be a one and done. I’m not subscribing to use features of the hardware Ive already purchased. To end though, I do understand where your coming from, and in an ideal world would agree with you. I dont think that ideal world is going to happen without some sort of insane turning point in consumer consciousness or a major gov. enforcing a new law.
I think there’s a bit of misunderstanding there. I’m not saying we should force self-hosting. I’m saying that when you get enshittification to a certain point, the idea of a non-shitty service becomes a selling point and you can compete on that as a feature.
You see that in commercial software all the time. Davinci Resolve exists because nobody wants to deal with Adobe, ClipStudio grew for the same reason, then went around that loop and now Affinity is getting some attention, and so on.
So what I’m saying is a self-contained package/service for self-hosting has a good chance to compete on price and features with enshittified services. The problem with getting that out of the OSS community is that they typically have more decisionmaking power on the engineering side and you end up with overly flexible, customizable software no mom and pop normie would ever get into unless they’re making a project out of it.
See, Jellyfin should be a hit. Everybody should have a Jellyfin server. But instead they have an overly powerful thing that is trying to allow you to customize the UI and incorporate every single piece of media and do everything Plex does except for the one useful thing Plex does which is give you Internet access to your library.
That’s the opposite of what an eventually successful self-hosted thing would be. You want one thing that does one thing with zero hassle and has the hard feature but none of the superfluous easy features. That’s why I’m saying HA, Plex and Synology are best positioned.
I think Synology is going the Plex route, where they are starting to enshittify their hardwareto sell you more hard drives. Their software is a better version of Yunohost already, though. And crucially they do provide a one click OpenVPN install, which is the still-too-complicated version of how all of this should work.
But if you really wanted to make some money one can envision a world in which a ISP (particularly a Starlink-style connect-anywhere ISP) sells you a one time stop package with a box that does your routing and also has a big app manager thing that sets you up for what you want. “It works just like Gmail but it’s at your place” is the pitch, not “ironclad security and full access to set it up just like you want”. That’s for nerds.
And then you charge them for cloud backups, if you’re clever.
Thanks for coming to my pitch, I’ll be in meeting room 4 all week.
I guess what I am not understanding is why you would self host if youre not doing it for privacy and security. Who cares where the information is if the info gets to where it needs to be? If the user doesnt set it up just how they want and all decisions are made by a 3rd party, why not just centralize the information? That 3rd party can still implement all the spyware, telemetry and backdoors they want to into the software so to the end consumer it makes literally no difference other than the fact that now instead of everything being in “the cloud” you have to spend $100+ on a box that does the same thing the cloud did.
back-to-basics apps and services.
I think these do exist, but they’re in such a sea of shit that most users scrolling on their phones can’t find them. Shameless apps have an intractable engagement/marketing advantage over them, as do the ‘lets get acquired by Big Tech’ ones.
I guess big companies could engage in this, but… shrug.
Hassle-free self hosting is hard, yeah, AI or not. Not going to argue with that one bit.
The same for search engines.
I want to search for information about a hobby or new interest. I dont want to see 61 pages of the same 3 websites with different summaries to make it seem like I’ve got a lot to choose from. I dont want ad content shoved down my proverbial throat. I dont want to see influencer bullshit.
The internet is the single greatest repository of information that this planet has ever seen, and we allow it to overflow with drivel so that a billionaire can get a bit more rich.
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Those are the sites that I block in my pihole.
Prompt: please summarize this meme for me
Browser ai bad
Browser go to webpages good
Jarvis, summarise this comment, I ain’t reading allat
Firefox offered me a survey the other day on this exact topic. I said I don’t want it in my browser for all questions.
“What if your browser…”
No, just no. Please stop shoving new features in that I won’t use.
