You could absolutely say, with no surrounding context, “Palestinians deserve to live”, and have half a dozen people call you antisemitic, as if you were
1: talking about jews or Israel in the first place,
2- saying NEGATIVE things about those groups, or
C, implying that two groups of people can’t exist at the same time.
And a dozen other people nearby will nod their heads in silence as though the person calling you antisemitic was in some way correct in their assessment.
Don’t forget Germany. Seems like the only lesson their politicians learnt from WW2 was “don’t ever criticise Israel.”
Modern German political consensus: “Extreme Genocidal Racism isn’t the problem, it’s choosing the wrong races as subhumans that’s the problem”
Realpolitik
International law: Genocide is a Crime
U.S./Israel/German law: Condemning Genocide is a Crime
And British Law, don’t forget British Law: they also have the same “Criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic racial hate” legislation.
Yep. ALL the Israeli occupied governments.
The color of font is not the best choice
We’ll be careful with our color choices in the future memes.
It’s like you carefully engineered it to be unreadable. Quite impressive actually. Never seen text this unreadable before in my life. This is what being color blind must be like.
Our?
The color chose is “blurry”? Huh til blurry is a color.
Edit: the comment I replied to has since been edited.
there’s a big difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Israeli government
The greatest trickery they have is that it doesn’t matter whether you criticize the apartheid state or Zionism. They’ll directly consider you anti-semitic.
- In 2023, US have already passed a resolution (H.Res. 894) to equate “Anti-Zionism as Anti-Semitism”.
I completely agree with the post but I would be very careful with language like “trickery” when talking about Jewish people because that shit does become coded antisemitism real quick
Noted. Thanks for pointing it out, I would be much more considerate in the future.
All good and it IS the correct word to describe the bullshit the US and such are pulling. Just a good thing to know about lol
The worst part about discussing this subject is the subtlety. So many people what to remove all the nuance from the conversation so they can justify violence and erasure of innocent people. All they have to do is ignore nuanced critique and shout louder, and the zone is flooded with shit.
Innuendo Studios, the YouTube channel that put out “the alt-right playbook,” has a really good video called “you can’t get snakes from chicken eggs.” The core thesis is that the truth can only be reduced so much before it stops being the truth. So bad faith actors will weaponize any attempt to introduce nuance against you to say you are over complicating things. Conversely, if something is false, it can be infinitely reduced because there is no truth to be had. They can simplify and simplify and simplify until it becomes basically a truism and to disagree with them sounds ridiculous.
It’s an asymmetric battle that’s for sure
Anti-Zionism
I don’t have a problem with Jewish people, nor the Jewish nation, nor Judaism, nor the Jewish government (some of them anyway) …
… but I have a problem with racist, bigoted, extremist Zionists … they’ve become more like the Jewish Taliban but with nuclear weapons.
I can’t express this deeply enough. Fuck Israel. Supporting them is an indefensible stupidity.
Holy crap, this is a perfect illustration and representation of the current situation
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It’s only Antisemitic when “their land” is defined “from the river to the sea.” There are 8 million people who are not Palestinians living there for generations now. Some families for centuries.
Of course they have a right to peaceful existence and security on the land where they live.
It is an emancipatory slogan that calls for an end to apartheid and for equal rights.
Yousef Munayyer, head of the Palestine-Israel program at the Arab Center Washington D.C., has written extensively about the meaning of the slogan before and since Hamas’s attacks on Oct. 7, which led to Israel’s current bombardment of the Gaza Strip.
“It’s an expression of Palestinian nationalism and it’s an expression of a demand for Palestinian freedom or self-determination,” said Waxman. “I think Palestinian self-determination need not come at the expense of Jewish self-determination. Nor do I think Palestinian freedom has to be considered a threat to Jewish rights.”
Simply put, the majority of Palestinians who use this phrase do so because they believe that, in 10 short words, it sums up their personal ties, their national rights and their vision for the land they call Palestine. And while attempts to police the slogan’s use may come from a place of genuine concern, there is a risk that tarring the slogan as antisemitic – and therefore beyond the pale – taps into a longer history of attempts to silence Palestinian voices.
The use of the phrase “from the river to the sea” has come under particular scrutiny in the last three months. When Palestinians, or anyone on the left, has used the phrase to demand a free Palestine—as in the popular chant, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”—those on the right have disingenuously argued that it is calling for the death of all Jewish people in Israel.
In 2021, the Palestinian-American writer Yousef Munayyer argued that those who saw genocidal ambition in the phrase, or indeed an unambiguous desire for the destruction of Israel, did so due to their own Islamophobia.
It was instead, he argued, merely a way to express a desire for a state in which “Palestinians can live in their homeland as free and equal citizens, neither dominated by others nor dominating them”.
Preventing any possibility of a Palestinian state has always been Israel’s policy, one that the settlement building in the Occupied Territories is meant to ensure. This policy has been intensified under Benjamin Netanyahu, who in January 2024 publicly vowed to resist any attempt to create a Palestinian state and to maintain Israeli control from the river to the sea.
It is often maintained that the slogan ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ expresses a genocidal and antisemitic intention. But this is generally not the case. On the contrary, the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for Palestinian liberation
Denying such demands seems as self-evident to most Israeli Jews as the air they breathe. It is this denial that has led to the dehumanization of Palestinians and has culminated in the genocidal mood that is prevailing in Israeli Jewish society today and in the assault taking place now in Gaza. This should be viewed as the real problem and not the legitimate chant of ‘from the river to the sea: Palestine will be free’.
There’s no anti-semetism in those words, Palestinians include Muslims and Jews who lived there for centuries. The problem is europeans persecuted immigrants who were forced upon Palestinians. True Justice would be to divide Germany (biggest perpetrator) into two parts to give rise of Jewish state. Why would Palestinians take the brunt of Europe’s crime?
I thought one of the biggest lessons of this whole thing was trying to create a Jewish state (or anything similar) on top of a place where people already live is going to create conflict with the people that already live there.
Also telling Jews to go back to Germany after WWII. “War is totally over guys, time to go back to Germany.” That’s gonna sound like a childish prank.
Your logic is so cracked I don’t know where to begin. If “Europeans” are to blame for the oppression of Palestinians, then shouldn’t they be responsible for making a Palestinian state in Europe? That is a bonkers take. Please take a little time to think through the things you post.
then shouldn’t they be responsible for making a Palestinian state in Europe?
Sure, if they want to tie up the genocide with a forced ressetlement.
Literally was just suggested by OP. Seems pretty inhumane to me, but you do you.
Edit: corrected user. Thought you were OP.
Both sides have innocent civillians that deserve to live on that land.
Both sides have absolute assholes that want the complete destruction of the other sides’ civillians.
Fuck em both. They put up graffiti posters with
IsraelPalestineIsraelPalestine is terrorism , and to me it just looks like this
In defence of the Palestinians, they did not get to choose the ethnicity of their colonisers. And if anything, Jews have been historically protected in Arabic lands more than Christian lands.
The people and governments of all the countries surrounding Israel are fully open in their desire to see every Jewish person in Israel dead.
The only reason they do not make this happen is because militarily they cannot. They tried several times.
Israel actually has the ability to kill all the people in those countries as they have air superiority and nuclear weapons. Of course they don’t do it.
First off, you over generalize like everyone. Second, You claim that because Isreal DOESN’T NUKE ALL ITS NEIGHBORS, that they have the moral high ground? You do know that you don’t shit where you eat and you don’t nuke where you live. And third… they are bombing Gaza, and i would say indiscriminately if they didn’t have such high numbers of innocent people killed.
Cool, now switch places place. First one: Israel has a right to exist exist Second: Nazi! Youre commiting genicide!
Countries do not have a right to exist, particularly not if they want to exist on some other people’s land. Furthermore, why doesn’t this apply to a state for Palestinians having a right to exist? Not that I want that, it is doomed to fail like Pakistan and India. They all need to learn to get along and give people equal rights
They sure do. Who is currently massacring their people, bombing hospitals, and carving up their land for luxury resorts? I’m happy to protest that aggressor nation.
Uh… No? Countries don’t have a right to exist in general. People have a right to self-determination, but this is one thing and that’s another. Again, no country has a right to exist.
Fun fact, their right to exist does not permit genocide.
Israel, in fact, as per international law, does not have a “right” to exist. Palestinians though do have a right to armed resistance.
YouTube clickbait that still doesn’t say what you claim. In fact says the exact opposite. SMH
Yeah the UN special rapporteur speaking to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation during a presser with the Canadian government is total clickbait!
Yeah, language like “Watch this reporter get SHUT DOWN!” usually indicates clickbait.
Great, now address the content, because like I said you can find the same presser from CBC, I just took the easiest version to find.
Not like this. Frankly not like they’ve been for a very long time, the Israeli government is just super overt about it now.
This is what happens when people think governments have natural rights.
Both sides have innocent civillians that deserve to live on that land.
Both sides have absolute assholes that want the complete destruction of the other sides’ civillians.
Fuck em both. They put up graffiti posters with
IsraelPalestineIsraelPalestine is terrorism , and to me it just looks like thisPalestinians did nothing to deserve their land being stolen. It was European fascism that persecuted the Jews and caused the creation of Israel. Zionism was pushed by European antisemites to get the Jews out. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it and rightfully see Israel as a European colonial project rather than any kind of legitimate state
Palestinians did nothing to deserve their land being stolen.
How did the British get their hands on it?
What does that have to do with ordinary Palestinians’ homes being confiscated? They have nothing to do with it
It was European fascism that persecuted the Jews and caused the creation of Israel. Zionism was pushed by European antisemites to get the Jews out. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it and rightfully see Israel as a European colonial project rather than any kind of legitimate state
Well, this part needs some explaination and historical context, since you’re saying the Palestininians deserve something, and that the thing that is deserved was stolen.
Because Palestine is just as much a distant historical idea as israel, since that land was in the hands of the ottomans that were then taken over by the british, while being promised to both jews and palestinians.
For clarification, the British , with the help of traiterous arabs who thought they could hack it outside the ottoman empire, took those lands by force, then they did whatever the fuck they wanted to, because they took those lands by force, the same way any other territory belonged to any other group of people.
That’s pretty much true when it comes to Palestine as a country, but none of that excuses Israel claiming families homes they’ve been living in for generations. There was no such thing as a country of Palestine when Israel was created, but that doesn’t mean it was empty of people. Maybe they don’t have a good claim to a state of their own, but they do have strong claims on their own farms and homes. Those people rightfully don’t recognize Israel’s authority, especially when Israel is denying them basic human rights that they grant to Jews, i.e. apartheid
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They’re not arguing in good faith.
You: Using logic
Fediverse: Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!
