Even when there isn’t a clearly superior option; there’s no excuse to not vote in the U. S. when the right to vote is such a pivotable portion of your history. We are barely over a half century away; only a mere 60 years. Unconscionable.
IMO, progressives (who’s not too bothered by Stein’s cozying up to Russia a bit) from California, most of New England, DC, Maryland, Hawaii, or Washington (state), and yet yammer on about how bad third parties are because they split the Democrat vote, are probably stupid, or at least ignorant, and should give some of the time they spend watching CNN or Vaush to reading election stats.
how bad third parties are because they split the Democrat vote, are probably stupid, or at least ignorant, and should give some of the time they spend watching CNN or Vaush to reading election stats.
Hey, I don’t need to comment because you said it all for me.
I backed my assertions with stats, however poor you think they are as analysis.
Your assertion is too vague to rebut directly. And I did not say stats are “poor analysis” I said using stats on their own without the background in contextualizing stats makes any analysis nearly worthless.
What do yo back up your assertions with, other than lame DNC, CNN, and Vaush talking points?
So you already have made up your mind about what and how I think allowing you to dismiss my actual points contained in my post, which you’ve conveniently ignored.
So I’ll repost my most important point: The core fact remains that voting for a third party under a first past the post system is risking permitting the greater evil to win.
The phrase was popularized in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli.[1] However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli’s works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Several other people have been listed as originators of the quote, and it is often attributed to Twain himself.[3]
Your assertion is too vague to rebut directly. And I did not say stats are “poor analysis” I said using stats on their own without the background in contextualizing stats makes any analysis nearly worthless.
So what are you saying, that a Californian progressive who voted for Stein made a dumb choice and the one who voted for Harris made the smart choice? Are you saying that not supporting or voting for leftist competition for the Democrats, and working in the system of supporting the contender who wins the Democrat candidacy, will expedite reforms, including election reforms, more quickly. Did Harris even publicly utter the phrases “ranked balloting” or “proportional representation” in 2024?
So you already have made up your mind about what and how I think allowing you to dismiss my actual points contained in my post, which you’ve conveniently ignored.
What points? Third parties bad, lesser evil good, because vote-splitting?
So I’ll repost my most important point: The core fact remains that voting for a third party under a first past the post system is risking permitting the greater evil to win.
In some states, the risk might be worth it in the Presidential elections.
What if in the 2028 US Presidential election, the GOP nominates Lisa Murkowski for President, the Democrats nominate Biden, who recovered to having the cognitive and speech abilities that he had in January 2022, and Joe Manchin as his running mate? Let’s also say Stein runs again, after condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine, paid a visit to Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson, and shook hands with Zelenskyy; in September of that year was polling 15%; and you’re a voting citizen of a state that since 2000 averaged a >10% plurality in Presidential elections?
I simply cannot grasp why some people believe voting 3rd party in a presidential election isn’t one of the dumbest possible things you can do in life.
Like, beyond the fact that the 3rd party candidate with the most votes in 2024 got a whopping HALF OF A SINGLE PERCENT of the total votes cast, meaning a 3rd party literally cannot win, there’s still the reality that even if they did win, no 3rd party has A SINGLE MEMBER IN CONGRESS, so if a 3rd party presidential candidate actually won, they wouldn’t be able to do shit, because they’d have literally ZERO allies in Congress.
I’m pretty sure anyone voting 3rd party for president has absolutely no clue how our government works. They have no concept of the reality they live in.
I simply cannot grasp why some people believe voting 3rd party in a presidential election isn’t one of the dumbest possible things you can do in life.
You might want to say that to Michiganders who voted for Stein (and Oliver) because of Gaza and the US presence in the Middle East.
The 2024 Presidential election isn’t the only one in US history: there have been 57 others.
Trump had few allies in Congress before 2016, but now members are the Republican caucus are falling all over themselves to curry favour from him.
I’m pretty sure anyone voting 3rd party for president has absolutely no clue how our government works. They have no concept of the reality they live in.
You are so correct—as members of the herd generally are. I like people who resort to exaggerations, over generalizations, and distortions.
Non-voters are beneath Trump supporters in my opinion. They’re the lowest of the low. A complete failure to understand their civic duty that a ton of people died to allow them to have. At least Trump supporters get involved. In the worst, dumbest possible way, but involved nonetheless.
Even when there isn’t a clearly superior option; there’s no excuse to not vote in the U. S. when the right to vote is such a pivotable portion of your history. We are barely over a half century away; only a mere 60 years. Unconscionable.
If voting is a right, then surely not voting is also a right. You seem to be confusing it with the word “responsibility.”
Considering I never said that one doesn’t have the right to not vote, I don’t believe I am; but you are correct that I consider it a responsibility.
On the one hand, corporatist party, on the other, literal fascists. Yes, clearly there is no superior option.
You seem to be deriving meaning unstated in my comment.
Then maybe vote for a third party.
A vote for a third party in presidential is not a vote.
It is a vote, and over 1.5 million Americans (excluding those for RFK) made such votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Results
IMO, progressives (who’s not too bothered by Stein’s cozying up to Russia a bit) from California, most of New England, DC, Maryland, Hawaii, or Washington (state), and yet yammer on about how bad third parties are because they split the Democrat vote, are probably stupid, or at least ignorant, and should give some of the time they spend watching CNN or Vaush to reading election stats.
Hey, I don’t need to comment because you said it all for me.
Election stats? You ever hear the phrase “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”
Stats on their own given a poor analysis of an average joe/jane can mislead just as much if not more than a talking head can.
The core fact remains that voting for a third party under a first past the post system is risking permitting the greater evil to win.
Yes, I think it’s from Twain.
I backed my assertions with stats, however poor you think they are as analysis.
What do yo back up your assertions with, other than lame DNC, CNN, and Vaush talking points?
Its commonly misattributed to him.
Your assertion is too vague to rebut directly. And I did not say stats are “poor analysis” I said using stats on their own without the background in contextualizing stats makes any analysis nearly worthless.
So you already have made up your mind about what and how I think allowing you to dismiss my actual points contained in my post, which you’ve conveniently ignored.
So I’ll repost my most important point: The core fact remains that voting for a third party under a first past the post system is risking permitting the greater evil to win.
Apparently, you’re right on that.
FWIW:
wp:Lies, damned lies, and statistics
So what are you saying, that a Californian progressive who voted for Stein made a dumb choice and the one who voted for Harris made the smart choice? Are you saying that not supporting or voting for leftist competition for the Democrats, and working in the system of supporting the contender who wins the Democrat candidacy, will expedite reforms, including election reforms, more quickly. Did Harris even publicly utter the phrases “ranked balloting” or “proportional representation” in 2024?
What points? Third parties bad, lesser evil good, because vote-splitting?
In some states, the risk might be worth it in the Presidential elections.
What if in the 2028 US Presidential election, the GOP nominates Lisa Murkowski for President, the Democrats nominate Biden, who recovered to having the cognitive and speech abilities that he had in January 2022, and Joe Manchin as his running mate? Let’s also say Stein runs again, after condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine, paid a visit to Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson, and shook hands with Zelenskyy; in September of that year was polling 15%; and you’re a voting citizen of a state that since 2000 averaged a >10% plurality in Presidential elections?
Hypothetical, but still, who would you vote for?
I simply cannot grasp why some people believe voting 3rd party in a presidential election isn’t one of the dumbest possible things you can do in life.
Like, beyond the fact that the 3rd party candidate with the most votes in 2024 got a whopping HALF OF A SINGLE PERCENT of the total votes cast, meaning a 3rd party literally cannot win, there’s still the reality that even if they did win, no 3rd party has A SINGLE MEMBER IN CONGRESS, so if a 3rd party presidential candidate actually won, they wouldn’t be able to do shit, because they’d have literally ZERO allies in Congress.
I’m pretty sure anyone voting 3rd party for president has absolutely no clue how our government works. They have no concept of the reality they live in.
You might want to say that to Michiganders who voted for Stein (and Oliver) because of Gaza and the US presence in the Middle East.
The 2024 Presidential election isn’t the only one in US history: there have been 57 others.
Trump had few allies in Congress before 2016, but now members are the Republican caucus are falling all over themselves to curry favour from him.
You are so correct—as members of the herd generally are. I like people who resort to exaggerations, over generalizations, and distortions.
Non-voters are beneath Trump supporters in my opinion. They’re the lowest of the low. A complete failure to understand their civic duty that a ton of people died to allow them to have. At least Trump supporters get involved. In the worst, dumbest possible way, but involved nonetheless.