Putting US support for far right extremists in caps lock doesn’t change the fact that Russia’s Special Military Operation also massively empowered those extremists and reinvigorated NATO as a global military alliance.
Any resistance of any type will embolden imperialists and examples of this are numerous. In other words, Imperialists will never back off even after being defeated(ex Cuba, Yemen, Vietnam after defeating the french). Saying that as an argument against the SMO is just nonsense and even foolish.
Are you really that naive? Do you really think that any resistance will not cause the imperialists to go wild?
So why doesn’t China just invade Taiwan already? Probably because they recognize that getting stuck in a grinding quagmire that costs hundreds of thousands of lives and only results in your enemies pouring even more resources into opposing you isn’t the right tactic for the situation, so they stick to innuendo and military exercises and diplomacy and playing the long game.
The SMO has been a failure on its own terms. Russia may have avoided the worst of the consequences that the West wanted to inflict on it via its strengthening relationship with China, but the simple fact is that Russians are less safe today than they were before they escalated the conflict, and I believe that Putin had better options available to him but chose instead to play right into NATO’s hands. Even just maintaining the 2014-2022 status quo in Ukraine would have been preferable to Russia than what they have now.
So why doesn’t China just invade Taiwan already? Probably because they recognize that getting stuck in a grinding quagmire that costs hundreds of thousands of lives and only results in your enemies pouring even more resources into opposing you isn’t the right tactic for the situation, so they stick to innuendo and military exercises and diplomacy and playing the long game.
You are literally making shit up with your false equivalence. Ukraine and Taiwan are not the same. You can find clear differences just by looking at each countries location and asking yourself how the West will build logistics to push weaponry into each nation.
The SMO has been a failure on its own terms. Russia may have avoided the worst of the consequences that the West wanted to inflict on it via its strengthening relationship with China, but the simple fact is that Russians are less safe today than they were before they escalated the conflict, and I believe that Putin had better options available to him but chose instead to play right into NATO’s hands. Even just maintaining the 2014-2022 status quo in Ukraine would have been preferable to Russia than what they have now.
This is just straight up fiction. Now, I understand @666@lemmygrad.ml frustration with you. You are unwilling to tackle this in good faith and choose to live in fantasy land. Also, you are actively diverting attention from the imperialists as if it was Russia own fault to avoid this scenario. As 666 said before, NATO is an imperialist organization and inciting conflicts is what they do best.
Ahh, what an arrogant person you are. Liberalism and Western propaganda really rot people’s ability to think.
Oh, no worries. I was following up your discussion with the other arrogant person and got angered at the way he treated you.
Thanks for your good work comrade. Your comments surrounding this topic are very helpful for people that are humble enough to listen. It disappoints me how prevalent western exceptionalism is with liberals/ultras or whatever that arrogant guy is.
I never said that the imperialists didn’t set the parameters here. Of course they funded a color revolution and of course Russia had to respond. But Putin chose the worst response he could have chosen and now everything’s worse for Russia than it was before.
You accuse me of living in a fantasy land, but the fact is that I’m looking at all of the pieces on the board and making a judgement. You on the other hand are ignoring all of the evidence that goes against the conclusion that you had when this entire thing started.
It’s not even like I’m disagreeing with you that much. We are probably 90-95% in agreement. I just look at the results Russia got for the choice that it made and see a tragic mistake.
But Putin chose the worst response he could have chosen and now everything’s worse for Russia than it was before.
That’s the problem with westerners filled to the brim with western exceptionalism. Plenty of comrades have tried to explain with evidence why your position fails to consider plenty of information that explain the material conditions leading to SMO but you chose to be arrogantly dismissive about it. Then, after rudely dismissing other comrades efforts, you spew nonstop nonsense to avoid facing the facts that people throughout this thread shared with you.
There is nothing but western arrogance from your responses.
It’s not even like I’m disagreeing with you that much. We are probably 90-95% in agreement. I just look at the results Russia got for the choice that it made and see a tragic mistake.
With what you kindly shown us throughout this thread, I doubt it. In fact, it is so easy to end up with positions like yours if we carefully ignore plenty of facts and historical context. We have seen plenty of westerners with exceptionalism do this all the time to criticize along with the fascists/liberals any resistance from the oppressed. From Palestine, Cuba, Rusia and China, people like you will arrogantly say “BUT I kNow A better wAy becAuSe I KnOw BeTter!” or “IT iS a FaiLuRe beCauSe thEy Didn’t Do IT mY pERfect wAy”.
What a disappointment. You should really work on that arrogance and shed away your exceptionalism.
Honestly my bad, I thought you were talking with someone I blocked or blocked me. Disregard what I said. They just appeared now in my logs because lemmy is fucked.
Any resistance of any type will embolden imperialists and examples of this are numerous. In other words, Imperialists will never back off even after being defeated(ex Cuba, Yemen, Vietnam after defeating the french). Saying that as an argument against the SMO is just nonsense and even foolish.
Are you really that naive? Do you really think that any resistance will not cause the imperialists to go wild?
So why doesn’t China just invade Taiwan already? Probably because they recognize that getting stuck in a grinding quagmire that costs hundreds of thousands of lives and only results in your enemies pouring even more resources into opposing you isn’t the right tactic for the situation, so they stick to innuendo and military exercises and diplomacy and playing the long game.
The SMO has been a failure on its own terms. Russia may have avoided the worst of the consequences that the West wanted to inflict on it via its strengthening relationship with China, but the simple fact is that Russians are less safe today than they were before they escalated the conflict, and I believe that Putin had better options available to him but chose instead to play right into NATO’s hands. Even just maintaining the 2014-2022 status quo in Ukraine would have been preferable to Russia than what they have now.
You are literally making shit up with your false equivalence. Ukraine and Taiwan are not the same. You can find clear differences just by looking at each countries location and asking yourself how the West will build logistics to push weaponry into each nation.
This is just straight up fiction. Now, I understand @666@lemmygrad.ml frustration with you. You are unwilling to tackle this in good faith and choose to live in fantasy land. Also, you are actively diverting attention from the imperialists as if it was Russia own fault to avoid this scenario. As 666 said before, NATO is an imperialist organization and inciting conflicts is what they do best.
Ahh, what an arrogant person you are. Liberalism and Western propaganda really rot people’s ability to think.
sorry, your message appeared in my inbox just now, thought you were someone I blocked or blocked me.
Oh, no worries. I was following up your discussion with the other arrogant person and got angered at the way he treated you.
Thanks for your good work comrade. Your comments surrounding this topic are very helpful for people that are humble enough to listen. It disappoints me how prevalent western exceptionalism is with liberals/ultras or whatever that arrogant guy is.
It makes me feel not insane enough to go full on crazy on these nazi fucks on my life. I appreciate you all, always.
I never said that the imperialists didn’t set the parameters here. Of course they funded a color revolution and of course Russia had to respond. But Putin chose the worst response he could have chosen and now everything’s worse for Russia than it was before.
You accuse me of living in a fantasy land, but the fact is that I’m looking at all of the pieces on the board and making a judgement. You on the other hand are ignoring all of the evidence that goes against the conclusion that you had when this entire thing started.
It’s not even like I’m disagreeing with you that much. We are probably 90-95% in agreement. I just look at the results Russia got for the choice that it made and see a tragic mistake.
That’s the problem with westerners filled to the brim with western exceptionalism. Plenty of comrades have tried to explain with evidence why your position fails to consider plenty of information that explain the material conditions leading to SMO but you chose to be arrogantly dismissive about it. Then, after rudely dismissing other comrades efforts, you spew nonstop nonsense to avoid facing the facts that people throughout this thread shared with you.
There is nothing but western arrogance from your responses.
With what you kindly shown us throughout this thread, I doubt it. In fact, it is so easy to end up with positions like yours if we carefully ignore plenty of facts and historical context. We have seen plenty of westerners with exceptionalism do this all the time to criticize along with the fascists/liberals any resistance from the oppressed. From Palestine, Cuba, Rusia and China, people like you will arrogantly say “BUT I kNow A better wAy becAuSe I KnOw BeTter!” or “IT iS a FaiLuRe beCauSe thEy Didn’t Do IT mY pERfect wAy”.
What a disappointment. You should really work on that arrogance and shed away your exceptionalism.
Honestly my bad, I thought you were talking with someone I blocked or blocked me. Disregard what I said. They just appeared now in my logs because lemmy is fucked.