If Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine, it would’ve been a launching ground for an invasion into Russia or forced submission. Trump isn’t wielding any more power than Biden who also demanded increased military spending.
NATO was always an imperialist organization made up of colonizer states eager to form a bloc against the spread of “gommunist USSR” which no longer exists. So now it is an entity that functions to serve the imperialists of the western hegemony. This was shown when Ukraine was couped by far-right nationalists with assistance from western intelligence to make a entity right on the edge of Russia’s border when it began distancing itself from the West. I’d argue Ukraine becoming a Nazi state was more of the fault here than anything Putin ever did.
Which, weirdly, Ukraine had a lot of support from nato states before in their little nazi adventure?? I wonder what that means.
Check the copypasta. Yes, very much so. With explicit U.S support all the way back to the 60s leading up to the violation of the minsk accords and fascist takeover. Classic imperialism.
Okay yeah I can see why you sent the text dump, you were trying to specify that the Americans were planning on pushing some colour revolution bullshit within the region which is what incentivised Putin to take action. Honestly? I did not know about that, which is a bit embarrassing but that does explain it. I do wonder why putin didnt just say america was planning on doing a colour revolution and we need to get involved to stop the inequality. NVm typing it out loud explains why lmfao. Fuck america, but I do believe an unfortunate consequence of this was that NATO got further investment from the fascist vassal states in europe, perhaps this was a gambit dont by the states?
It was indeed and I respect you deeply for recognizing it. This other guy is trying to argue it was a “fringe paramilitary” lmfao. Yeah, the guys who couped Assad were just “fringe paramilitaries”.
The thing is, America is getting cold-feet with Asia becoming more and more of a threat to them. This is why we’ve seen the actions they take now.
If Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine, it would’ve been a launching ground for an invasion into Russia or forced submission.
With what army? Nobody wanted fund their militaries prior to the SMO, the SMO is what created what is currently the largest threat to Russia’s security.
NATO began military exercises in Ukraine at the end of 2013. In the years leading up to the SMO, NATO flew B-52 nuclear bombers up to border of Russian airspace, they ran a simulated invasion of Kaliningrad with a full force, and Putin explicitly stated that the reason the SMO launched was because there was NATO activity on the border that was indistinguishable from preparations of nuclear capabilities.
Since the SMO, none of these things have been possible. This is the reason for the SMO. It was not mindless adventurism. It was calculated and reluctant.
With…what army? The very same fascist paramilitaries that killed the trade unionists in Odessa? Or are we continously ignoring that part? Or the banderites? Azov being an example of both? Also, they had received explicit intelligence support from the U.S…
Like are we for real right now? The largest threat to Russia’s security is the West, NATO and the imperialists that reside within them.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU LISTED ARE A BIGGER PROBLEM NOW THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE SMO AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE CONVENTIONAL WESTERN MILITARIES ARRAYED AGAINST RUSSIA HAVE GROWN IN SIZE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE PERCEIVED THREAT OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION.
Do you think that the American invasion of Afghanistan reduced the number of anti-American paramilitaries in the world? Because the exact same thing happened here - a big invasion to stamp out a small threat only managed to galvanize resistance against the big invader. Who would have guessed given how many times this exact scenario has played out in history.
They were already an issue to Russia’s sovereignty before as I said and then backed up in the copypasta I literally just posted that you apparently “read”. Of course the issue would be larger in proxy military confrontation. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s not Putin’s fault for launching the SMO when it was gearing up to threaten the country on orders of imperialists. Caps-lock doesn’t change that either.
American invasion of Aghanistan was imperialist. Russian invasion of Ukraine was not. There is no comparison there. This wasn’t a “Small threat” because you keep seemingly ignoring CIA and western-intelligence sponsored paramilitaries and political organizations that reorganized the country in a violent overthrow and murdered leftists and trade-unionists as we seen in Odessa. That is not a “small threat” that is a direct threat to the sovereignty of Russia.
Could those CIA and western-intelligence sponsored paramilitaries and political organizations have ever inflicted as much damage to Russia as this war has? Don’t get me wrong - intervening to stop the persecution of ethnic Russians in Ukraine by organized neonazis is good and I do think that they had legitimate security concerns about Ukraine basically being turned into a hotbed for fascists, terrorism, and organized crime. I realize I’m not privy to all the information they have access to, but I just don’t see the strategic advantage this war has for Russia.
Have you seen the sheer violence and devastation America will bring to the periphery when it dare revolts? Hell, not even revolting, simply just choosing a path that will slightly threaten the interests of private capital in those nations owned by America or even it’s allies that cling to previous colonial vestiges like a dying tick? I mean, Chile is a great example. Beyond that, America will install dictators and brutal leaders in nations like that or support them in Indonesia and the Philippines who will gladly purge political opponents or dissidents for them. Previously, in Russia when the USSR fell, America carved out the nation financially. Pepsi was buying Russian warships for debt.
I’m sure you know this, but remarking and looking back on the brutality of what the Empire has done, what would it do now if given the chance? Just for a single moment when it’s enemies let it’s guard down like Gaddafi?
The strategic advantage is preventing Ukraine from being used as a launching ground for an invasion, or “hotbed” for terrorists or threats to spawn and attack the nation backed by it’s major rival and leader of the imperialist hegemony that controls the world.
I have no doubt that Ukraine would have become a staging ground for some future attack on Russia, but would that have actually been worse than this war already is? While the US-backed Ukraine regime might have launched border incursions or terrorist attacks or something, it’s hard to imagine the Europeans openly supporting Ukraine if they attacked Russia first.
Instead, because of Russia’s preemptive invasion, NATO expanded onto Russia’s border with Finland. That seems bad.
it’s hard to imagine the Europeans openly supporting Ukraine if they attacked Russia first.
Not for me. The media does an excellent job of ignoring or hyperfocusing on whatever it takes to support their narrative.
When Kiev sent military jets to bomb civilians in Donetsk in 2014, did it make headlines in the US? I don’t remember hearing a thing.
The CIA can also do a false flag (e.g. Gulf of Tonkin) whenever it pleases, and compliant media would make it the biggest story of the decade. They’ve been priming the public for years with fake news about Russian covert ops, like Putin trying to hack the energy grid in the US.
Yes it would be very much worse. Genocide in Donbass was already ongoing and Russian intervention thwarted massive AFU assault against DPR and LPR. It would be massacre.
Secondly, Russia somewhat recovered after even the nightmarish 90’s, which for US planners mean it was not enough, this time they would loot even nails and most likely aimed for balkanisation. Imagine Yugoslavia but much worse.
Thirdly, the real target of entire endeavour was nor even Russia but China, taking over Russia would means economic, political and military trouble for China, encircling it and probably (or rather certainly looking at last 5 years) also destroying most of its Belt and Road initiative gains.
Finally, Finland was licking boots of every protofash and fash since 1918. It was de facto already NATO member, it changed nothing.
I cannot stress this enough, no matter how you do dislike Russia, its intervention in Ukraine stopped imperialists in their tracks to yet another round in world domination and started an event chain that could potentially lead to demise of imperialist core and quite possibly save us all and planet.
Small threat is relative here. If you think that a fringe paramilitary is a threat on par with multiple countries’ conventional militaries, then you are a moron.
Yeah man, the dudes who couped Assad were just fringe paramilitaries. They didn’t have explicit backing of the imperialist hegemony, weapons, funding and intelligence support.
This didn’t happen in Ukraine whatsoever and were just some fringe paramilitaries that happened to take over suddenly despite having backing, funding, intelligence support and covert weapons support all the way back to the 60s where they then suddenly just took over a nation bordering a major rival of that hegemony. It just all happened out of nowhere, jumbles of images and such because I’m such a fucking moron.
Not at all. As much as a comparison for a intelligence officer being the reason behind a worker’s state degeneration, right? You’re totally right. That’s what you want to hear, right?
Slavi ukraini and fuck putler, right?
You’re already done with me. I’m done with you. I’ve tried.
If Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine, it would’ve been a launching ground for an invasion into Russia or forced submission. Trump isn’t wielding any more power than Biden who also demanded increased military spending.
NATO was always an imperialist organization made up of colonizer states eager to form a bloc against the spread of “gommunist USSR” which no longer exists. So now it is an entity that functions to serve the imperialists of the western hegemony. This was shown when Ukraine was couped by far-right nationalists with assistance from western intelligence to make a entity right on the edge of Russia’s border when it began distancing itself from the West. I’d argue Ukraine becoming a Nazi state was more of the fault here than anything Putin ever did.
Which, weirdly, Ukraine had a lot of support from nato states before in their little nazi adventure?? I wonder what that means.
Was Ukraine really exploring this at the time?
Check the copypasta. Yes, very much so. With explicit U.S support all the way back to the 60s leading up to the violation of the minsk accords and fascist takeover. Classic imperialism.
Okay yeah I can see why you sent the text dump, you were trying to specify that the Americans were planning on pushing some colour revolution bullshit within the region which is what incentivised Putin to take action. Honestly? I did not know about that, which is a bit embarrassing but that does explain it. I do wonder why putin didnt just say america was planning on doing a colour revolution and we need to get involved to stop the inequality. NVm typing it out loud explains why lmfao. Fuck america, but I do believe an unfortunate consequence of this was that NATO got further investment from the fascist vassal states in europe, perhaps this was a gambit dont by the states?
It was indeed and I respect you deeply for recognizing it. This other guy is trying to argue it was a “fringe paramilitary” lmfao. Yeah, the guys who couped Assad were just “fringe paramilitaries”.
The thing is, America is getting cold-feet with Asia becoming more and more of a threat to them. This is why we’ve seen the actions they take now.
Ill give it a read one sec
With what army? Nobody wanted fund their militaries prior to the SMO, the SMO is what created what is currently the largest threat to Russia’s security.
NATO began military exercises in Ukraine at the end of 2013. In the years leading up to the SMO, NATO flew B-52 nuclear bombers up to border of Russian airspace, they ran a simulated invasion of Kaliningrad with a full force, and Putin explicitly stated that the reason the SMO launched was because there was NATO activity on the border that was indistinguishable from preparations of nuclear capabilities.
Since the SMO, none of these things have been possible. This is the reason for the SMO. It was not mindless adventurism. It was calculated and reluctant.
With…what army? The very same fascist paramilitaries that killed the trade unionists in Odessa? Or are we continously ignoring that part? Or the banderites? Azov being an example of both? Also, they had received explicit intelligence support from the U.S…
Like are we for real right now? The largest threat to Russia’s security is the West, NATO and the imperialists that reside within them.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU LISTED ARE A BIGGER PROBLEM NOW THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE SMO AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE CONVENTIONAL WESTERN MILITARIES ARRAYED AGAINST RUSSIA HAVE GROWN IN SIZE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE PERCEIVED THREAT OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION.
Do you think that the American invasion of Afghanistan reduced the number of anti-American paramilitaries in the world? Because the exact same thing happened here - a big invasion to stamp out a small threat only managed to galvanize resistance against the big invader. Who would have guessed given how many times this exact scenario has played out in history.
They were already an issue to Russia’s sovereignty before as I said and then backed up in the copypasta I literally just posted that you apparently “read”. Of course the issue would be larger in proxy military confrontation. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s not Putin’s fault for launching the SMO when it was gearing up to threaten the country on orders of imperialists. Caps-lock doesn’t change that either.
American invasion of Aghanistan was imperialist. Russian invasion of Ukraine was not. There is no comparison there. This wasn’t a “Small threat” because you keep seemingly ignoring CIA and western-intelligence sponsored paramilitaries and political organizations that reorganized the country in a violent overthrow and murdered leftists and trade-unionists as we seen in Odessa. That is not a “small threat” that is a direct threat to the sovereignty of Russia.
Could those CIA and western-intelligence sponsored paramilitaries and political organizations have ever inflicted as much damage to Russia as this war has? Don’t get me wrong - intervening to stop the persecution of ethnic Russians in Ukraine by organized neonazis is good and I do think that they had legitimate security concerns about Ukraine basically being turned into a hotbed for fascists, terrorism, and organized crime. I realize I’m not privy to all the information they have access to, but I just don’t see the strategic advantage this war has for Russia.
Have you seen the sheer violence and devastation America will bring to the periphery when it dare revolts? Hell, not even revolting, simply just choosing a path that will slightly threaten the interests of private capital in those nations owned by America or even it’s allies that cling to previous colonial vestiges like a dying tick? I mean, Chile is a great example. Beyond that, America will install dictators and brutal leaders in nations like that or support them in Indonesia and the Philippines who will gladly purge political opponents or dissidents for them. Previously, in Russia when the USSR fell, America carved out the nation financially. Pepsi was buying Russian warships for debt.
I’m sure you know this, but remarking and looking back on the brutality of what the Empire has done, what would it do now if given the chance? Just for a single moment when it’s enemies let it’s guard down like Gaddafi?
The strategic advantage is preventing Ukraine from being used as a launching ground for an invasion, or “hotbed” for terrorists or threats to spawn and attack the nation backed by it’s major rival and leader of the imperialist hegemony that controls the world.
I have no doubt that Ukraine would have become a staging ground for some future attack on Russia, but would that have actually been worse than this war already is? While the US-backed Ukraine regime might have launched border incursions or terrorist attacks or something, it’s hard to imagine the Europeans openly supporting Ukraine if they attacked Russia first.
Instead, because of Russia’s preemptive invasion, NATO expanded onto Russia’s border with Finland. That seems bad.
Not for me. The media does an excellent job of ignoring or hyperfocusing on whatever it takes to support their narrative.
When Kiev sent military jets to bomb civilians in Donetsk in 2014, did it make headlines in the US? I don’t remember hearing a thing.
The CIA can also do a false flag (e.g. Gulf of Tonkin) whenever it pleases, and compliant media would make it the biggest story of the decade. They’ve been priming the public for years with fake news about Russian covert ops, like Putin trying to hack the energy grid in the US.
Yes it would be very much worse. Genocide in Donbass was already ongoing and Russian intervention thwarted massive AFU assault against DPR and LPR. It would be massacre.
Secondly, Russia somewhat recovered after even the nightmarish 90’s, which for US planners mean it was not enough, this time they would loot even nails and most likely aimed for balkanisation. Imagine Yugoslavia but much worse.
Thirdly, the real target of entire endeavour was nor even Russia but China, taking over Russia would means economic, political and military trouble for China, encircling it and probably (or rather certainly looking at last 5 years) also destroying most of its Belt and Road initiative gains.
Finally, Finland was licking boots of every protofash and fash since 1918. It was de facto already NATO member, it changed nothing.
I cannot stress this enough, no matter how you do dislike Russia, its intervention in Ukraine stopped imperialists in their tracks to yet another round in world domination and started an event chain that could potentially lead to demise of imperialist core and quite possibly save us all and planet.
Small threat is relative here. If you think that a fringe paramilitary is a threat on par with multiple countries’ conventional militaries, then you are a moron.
Yeah man, the dudes who couped Assad were just fringe paramilitaries. They didn’t have explicit backing of the imperialist hegemony, weapons, funding and intelligence support.
This didn’t happen in Ukraine whatsoever and were just some fringe paramilitaries that happened to take over suddenly despite having backing, funding, intelligence support and covert weapons support all the way back to the 60s where they then suddenly just took over a nation bordering a major rival of that hegemony. It just all happened out of nowhere, jumbles of images and such because I’m such a fucking moron.
Get real.
Ukraine in 2020 was nowhere near the state of Syria in 2025. This is a totally illegitimate comparison.
Not at all. As much as a comparison for a intelligence officer being the reason behind a worker’s state degeneration, right? You’re totally right. That’s what you want to hear, right?
Slavi ukraini and fuck putler, right?
You’re already done with me. I’m done with you. I’ve tried.