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miz [any, any]@hexbear.net to politics@hexbear.netEnglish · 4 days ago

Gaza Genocide Was Decisive in 2024 Presidential Election

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miz [any, any]@hexbear.net to politics@hexbear.netEnglish · 4 days ago
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  • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Can you not read your own chart? That has her still losing 251-270. She still loses PA and is still obliterated in NC.

    • Sinisterium [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      People love to cope that way. Harris was unpopular not just because she oversaw a genocide as vice-president and advocated for its continuation, but also because she chased after the mythical moderate republican voters.

      • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        People need to stop arguing against material reality for the sake of political expediency. I know it would be nice if Palestine really was the reason she Kamala lost. But it wasn’t and you can’t removedthe democrats into believing it.

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      Maybe I’m libposting when I say this, but having 100,000 less people openly hating you probably brings you more than 100,000 votes - imagine how many people would’ve campaigned for Kamala if she set Gaza as a red line and kept everything else the same!

      Not that I disagree because that’s too nuanced for this kind of chart

      • Simon 𐕣he 🪨 Johnson@lemmy.ml
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        This is one of those fuzzy “the hypotheticals always go my way” type things.

        It’s how Democrats are always “Akshually just because Gallup says that 2/3rds of the country wants something doesn’t mean they’ll go out and vote for it if we pitch a 25 year on ramp for federal marijuana legalization.”

      • Lamprey [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        And imagine how many Zionists would have campaigned against her lol

        It’s nice to think our politics are popular, but it’s not the case in a rhetoric sense

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      Yeah, North Carolina probably shouldn’t be included because it really wasn’t decisive at all, but it’s still amazing to see just how much libs fucking hated her.

      Especially funny to see now that Biden is back and doing his senile “I still think I would’ve won” tour. Would be hilarious if he starts throwing Harris under the bus with these numbers. While I was at the gym I saw some clips of Fox News ragging on him for going on the View to brag about how he would’ve won, typically hate that they have that and CNN on 24/7 but it did make me laugh this time. Biden is such a piece of shit.

      Anyone else think he’ll just pass away on live TV?

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        i hope he goes like that Ukrainian nazi

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          Hunka? He died? I didn’t know that, you’re telling me now for the first time.

          • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            [CW: Link leads to a video of what the link says it is.]

            They are referring to Pyotr Vushko, former head of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War 2, who died mid-speech in 2017.

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              That’s a good one, haven’t seen that one before. Thanks!

            • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              che-smile

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      PA would be a lot closer and maybe those people would be more activated to get others to vote. Enthusiasm has a spreading effect like that sometimes. But even with that cope, NC still looks like a lost cause. And of course there’s no way to know if PA would translate that way, I still suspect it would be a loss for her.

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    Democrats would rather do genocide than win the most winnable election in history.

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      Democrats would rather lose elections than win. It’s way more lucrative.

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      All Biden had to do was forgive the $20k of loans and Dems would have won every election for another 20 years, with or without genocide. Not to mention the incredible jump start that would have given the economy, delaying the collapse by another generation.

      The only logical conclusion is that liberals care more about capital than winning elections, which we’ve known for decades. Or really since 1776. Probably further if you wanted to check too!

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      If kamala told people she would give another 2k then she would have won the election.

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    It’s ok, we’ve been assured that the safest white guy will be the next DNC pick because the only issues voters care about is race and sex. Never their shitty policies.

    Democrats learn absolutely nothing from their losses.

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      it’s true tho

      the only solution is continental hellfire from sea to shining sea

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    At the end of the day Dems are willing to die for Israel. So I say let them

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    citations-needed

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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      Not joking by the way @miz@hexbear.net show me the money citations!

      • miz [any, any]@hexbear.netOP
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        hrm ok uh

        mich uncommitted number 101,604 https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234279958/biden-uncommitted-democrats-michigan-primary-election-2024-

        mich # votes harris lost by 2,816,636-2,736,533= 80,103 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/michigan/?r=0

        wisc uninstructed number 48,162 https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1242424035/wisconsin-uninstructed-uncommitted-biden-gaza

        wisc # votes harris lost by 1,697,626-1,668,229= 29,397 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/wisconsin/?r=0

        penn 60,445 write-ins, apparently there wasn’t a way to vote uncommitted you had to write it in https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-uncommitted-primary-votes-20240424.html

        buuuuut

        Uncommitted PA Surpasses Goal!

        The campaign exceeded its goal of 40,000 total write-ins for President in the Pennsylvania Democratic Primary with 60,724 total write-in votes.

        Over 120,000 registered Democrats withheld their vote from Joe Biden in the April 23, 2024 Presidential Primary Election.

        I am not sure where UncommittedPA is getting that second 120k number, somebody help me out?

        penn # votes harris lost by 3,543,308-3,423,042= 120,266 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/pennsylvania/?r=0

        north carolina uncommitted number 88,021 https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236295096/super-tuesday-results-uncommitted-biden-gaza-israel

        north carolina # votes harris lost by 2,898,423-2,715,375= 183,048 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/north-carolina/?r=0

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          gold-communist

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    There’s still the unknown unknowns of how many people were opposed to the genocide but didn’t bother voting in the primary and how many people voted uncommitted but ended up pulling the lever for Harris anyway.

    My bet is it wasn’t enough to change the election outcome but the simpler story here is that the democrats took the most cowardly possible route and still lost the election.

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    Democrats don’t want to win.

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    I thought we had this emoji

  • miz [any, any]@hexbear.netOP
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    this is from November 10th so it probably needs updating for final totals

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