Time is on the side of the Russians in Ukraine and the Chinese on pretty much anything else when it comes to confronting the US empire.

But ever since the ceasefire in Lebanon and the fall of Assad I can’t help but feel that the Palestinian cause is getting worse every day. No one is lifting a finger for them except the Yemenis and it only seems that the Zionist fucks are getting closer to their objectives.

Civil war in “Israel” when? True Promise 3 when (lol)?

It doesn’t help that some of the loudest voices cheering for Assad’s fall where Palestinians and that sectarism is strong against Shia’s…

  • turtle [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
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    27 days ago

    The first and primary reason for NATO existing: “deterring Soviet expansionism”. Distance makes a lot of difference. 30 minutes for a missile from the US to reach Russia. 2-3 minutes for one from Europe to reach them. That’s enough of a difference for people to get into bunkers or not. You are being disingenuous in not admitting that bringing nuclear weapons across an ocean and placing them next door will be perceived as very threatening, regardless of whatever explanations are given. Think about how asymmetric that power is too. The US reaches Russia in 2-3 minutes with their nuclear weapons, while it would take Russia 30 minutes to do the same. It means Russia would effectively be largely wiped out before they would have a chance to return fire to the US.

    Since you’re just not willing to admit that such “defensive” moves can feel very threatening to another country despite evidence and logic, there’s no point in discussing further.

      • turtle [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
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        27 days ago

        I haven’t mentioned a submarine in any of my posts. You’re the one who brought them up. I’m not concerned about the scenario that I described because the country I live in doesn’t have nuclear weapons from a distant foe nearby. We were discussing why Russia would legitimately feel that these things were a serious national security threat, but I see you’re intent on sealioning. I’ve had enough of it, so I will not be responding further.

        Edit: on second thought, I’ve blocked you since you’re not willing to have an honest discussion.

        Edit 2: unblocked you because I decided my threshold for blocking someone is higher than this. I just won’t discuss politics with you in the future.

          • freagle@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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            10 days ago

            You don’t understand MAD. MAD is what keeps nuclear war from happening. The USA consistently has a position that they must work to establish the capabilities to WIN a nuclear war, and one of the key tenets of that is undermining MAD.

            The way to undermine MAD is two-fold:

            1. Establish nuclear first-strike capabilities. This means faster nukes, closer to their targets, at high volume. Submarines certainly meet the first two criteria but not the the third. The speed and distance matters because it shortens decision making time for the target. The volume matters because you need to overwhelm their defences and you need to target their nuclear weapons to prevent retaliation.
            2. Missile defense. After you’ve destroyed most of their nukes in a first-strike, your missile defense needs to be robust enough to intercept whatever systems you failed to destroy. This means oceanic and land-based anti-missile batteries surrounding your target to intercept as many flight paths as possible.

            So while you are correct that people won’t really survive a nuclear war, it’s the USA that believes they can win and they have been hard at work for decades to create the conditions for them to do so. They believe that even if a couple nukes make it through to the US, that would probably still be a victory for them. They believe they can wipe entire countries off the face of the earth in exchange for losing a city or two. That’s the USA.

            The USA constantly reminds everyone that they reserve the right to strike first with nukes. It’s part of their military doctrine. So every other nation has a responsibility to their own people and in fact to their neighboring countries to prevent the US from furthering it’s development of both forward missile deployments and forward missile defense systems. Both of those things make it more and more likely that the USA will launch a nuclear first-strike under their stated doctrine because they will have achieved or believed they have achieved an asymetry that undermines MAD. Every nuclear nation, and every nation that is under the aegis of one of those nations, is responsible for ensuring MAD remains the game state.

              • freagle@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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                9 days ago

                No. I understood your point. You’re wrong. You think “nukes next door” is an argument about distance keeping a population safe. In the casus belli for the Russian SMO, that’s not the point. In essence, you are making a strawman. The reasoning is NOT that the nukes are too close. The reasoning is that nuclear capabilities are too close, and those capabilities include missile defense, delivery time, and delivery volume. That is to say, the problem is the undermining of MAD, which the US has as its military doctrine and has had for a few decades. No one else in the world wants to undermine MAD except the USA.

          • turtle [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
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            26 days ago

            You’re just not willing to accept that I may even possibly have valid points and are now laughing and accusing me of dishonesty. That’s enough. Like I said in my last post, I no longer wish to discuss this with you.

              • turtle [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
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                24 days ago

                Thanks for clarifying. I think there may be a misunderstanding about my argument. I’m not saying that distance necessarily makes us safer from my own perspective. I could agree with you that mutually assured destruction is probably the end result regardless of distance. The point I’m making is that for military and national security experts, distance (and consequently time before being hit) is assuredly considered a factor, despite what you or I may think. This article may provide some useful background on these concepts. There may be better articles out there but I happened to run across this one when I searched for when ICBMs became viable.

                I’ve mentioned this before, but the US nearly completely lost it when they found out that there were Russian nukes in Cuba in 1962. The same exact scenario would be just as alarming to the US today. Trying to wave away Russia’s concerns with this type of scenario is unrealistic. Have you ever watched Dr. Mearsheimer speak? If you haven’t, it’s worth looking on Youtube for his name and Russia or Ukraine. He is a renowned scholar in international relations who has a realistic perspective of West-Russia relations and who speaks very clearly about it.