Time is on the side of the Russians in Ukraine and the Chinese on pretty much anything else when it comes to confronting the US empire.
But ever since the ceasefire in Lebanon and the fall of Assad I can’t help but feel that the Palestinian cause is getting worse every day. No one is lifting a finger for them except the Yemenis and it only seems that the Zionist fucks are getting closer to their objectives.
Civil war in “Israel” when? True Promise 3 when (lol)?
It doesn’t help that some of the loudest voices cheering for Assad’s fall where Palestinians and that sectarism is strong against Shia’s…
check her pronouns please
Still a useless definition. Essentially all wars are imperialist under this definition, unless it’s the most insignificant little border skirmish.
When the hell did the Soviet Union fund RWDS? I live in latam and the only influence of the Soviet Union I know is supporting national liberation movements. The US has only done the same when the movements were corrupt and put landowners’ interests on top of the peasantry’s (i.e. those who wanted to keep colonial relations but under a new flag).
Because Hong Kong being a satellite state of the West used to destabilize the only remaining major communist power would be so much better? Like it wasn’t just blatantly stolen Terra Nulius style by the British to traffic opium into China?
England takes Hong Kong, that’s imperialism.
China takes it back, also imperialism i guess.
Exactly! A country should belong to the people who live in in and not to neighboring empires who call dibs on someone else’s home.
This view is typically called anti-imperialism.
Then you should be supporting the people of Donbas in their anti-imperialist struggle against the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime that had been trying to ethnically cleanse them and seize control of all their resources to sell off to western private interests. Just as you should be cheering on the Russians who came to their aid and prevented them from being wiped out by said nazis. But instead you’ve confused anti-imperialists for imperialists and mixed up the nazis with the victims because you have swallowed the western narrative.
If everything you said was factually true, then you’re right I should be.
Well then you should educate yourself as to what is factually true because everything I said was just that. You seem aware enough that you should know that one can not trust western sources if they want to have any idea what is really going on. Yet your responses here seem to indicate that that’s exactly what you’ve done: trusted the propaganda put out by the imperialist world hegemon.
I will remember to search for news on “the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime” in the future for unbiased information lmao.
Then what do your responses indicate?
I will fully admit it is possible I’ve been exposed to too much western propaganda, but you’re clearly not the one to talk here when it comes to depropaganzing ourselves.
Russia has propaganda too.
Unless you live in Russia, it’s basically impossible for someone’s views to be determined just by Russian propaganda. We are submerged in Western liberal hegemony. Any kind of worldview we develop is going to be related to that liberal hegemony and the narratives it presents. At worst, we might overreact to the propaganda by deliberately swallowing the Russian narrative, but I think that it’s also not true that we are uncritically following the Russian narrative (even when it’s a lot closer to the reality I’ve surmised than the Western liberal narrative) where Russia is the beacon of traditional Western value against the woke, perverted West. That’s also trash. We prefer to stick to analyzing material reality and the facts on the ground, not vibes.
Also, in my own comments I think I’ve done a good job of showing that there has been, indeed, a fascist coup of Ukraine in 2014, that was ethnically cleansing Russian speaking minorities and threatens all the same minorities that nazis always threaten. I showed you that while primarily citing liberal Western media like CNN, NBC, and the BBC. If those sources are too pro-Russian, then what sources can we use to get a level-headed assessment of the situation?
Perfect. Yes and I will take the opposite for myself. At worst I might swallow the mainstream western narrative but its not true that I think uncritically and I fact I actively seek out alternative information just like in this conversation.
When we went through it, the people you had claimed were being ethnically cleansed from what I saw turned out to be armed Russian proxies who had been fighting in Donetsk for 2 years (2014) before Ukraine bombed them (article from 2016).
You’ve provided evidence there was collateral damage when Ukraine was fighting a separation/civil war instigated by the Russian invasion in 2014. Not that minorities were targeted or that ethnic cleansing took place.
You didn’t provide evidence there was a fascist coup, in fact the opposite? You suggested there was an American backed coup to install American friendly people in power (Victoria Nyland)?
And btw, everyone padding adjectives into everything is driving me nuts.
Sometimes the discussion breaks down to “The neo nazi Ukrainian regime pulled a fascist coup and you’re too propagandized to see it”
Can’t you just say “the Ukrainian government pulled a coup”?
Is America’s hold over my state imperialist? Is Germany occupying Berlin imperialist?
I’m going to move 2 steps ahead here and just say that the position that’s being argued for here is some platonic ideal Hong Kong that would be independent of both American and Chinese influence.
Are movements in your state to democratically organize a secession movement violently suppressed?
Same question. Germany could only start to be considered as “occupying” Berlin if Berlin doesn’t want to be part of Germany.
So if there is a secession movement, it should always be supported? What of the people of Hong Kong who supported further integration into the mainland? Do they not matter?
How about the neonazis trying to turn the Pacific Northwest of America into their “Northwest Territorial Imperative”. Should we support those secessionists?
Your thought process is very unique haha. Not sure how you connected those dots together, but it seems like you spotted the issue with it.
So different people who make up a single state have different policy positions? Hmm… how might we resolve that conflict?
One solution that’s been commonly used is democracy.
Instead of forcing people to “always support succession” for some unknown reason or to have your state always supress succession (like Putin does), we could strive for a middle balance where people are free to speak and support whichever secession movements they want, form parties, and these issues are then put to vote.
Think how Brexit, as dumb as it was, wasn’t a civil war. It was just a referendum.
No one has to die changing the government.
In a democratic sense you should support the secession movements you agree with and not support the ones you don’t agree with.
So why are you asking me? Ask yourself if you support turning the Pacific Northwest into a Northwest Territorial Imperative?
The problem with Hong Kong voting on it is the same as when Crimeans voted on secession. There’s obvious external pressures at play. Hell, there’s even internal pressures in all elections that will show that there is no such thing as an ideal democratic process, only real democratic processes that are influenced by internal and external contradictions. I’m not familiar enough with the history of the Hong Kong integration to tell you exactly what the calculus the politicians of China and local rulers made, but it is at least fairly clear from a basic understanding of how the world works that holding a poll in Hong Kong asking them how they feel about independence is like asking a bank teller who’s currently being assaulted by 3 separate robbers how they feel about the concept of finance. The forces at play, between the legacy of British imperialism, currently existing American imperialism, and the Chinese threat to the existing mode of social organization in the island, means that (as with all things) a vote would only be a show of class power.