i wonder what y’all have to say about this

  • iridebikes@lemmy.world
    284·
    6 hours ago

    Really kinda gross that their kid gets zapped and they immediately celebrate.

    No wonder the kid hated them. He knew.

    Parents, go hug your kid and tell them you love em.

    • Aksamit@slrpnk.net
      2·
      54 minutes ago

      Parents, go hug your kid and tell them you love em.

      Better yet, use birth control and don’t condemn another life to this shit hole reality in the first place.

  • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
    397·
    7 hours ago

    I feel nothing but revulsion and disgust for the person who made this comic.

    It places its sympathy towards parents, which is nonsense. They’re the ones who choose to bring the child into existence in the first place. They should fucking bear the guilt and try and make up for it as best as they can.

    • Rin@lemm.ee
      2·
      33 minutes ago

      i don’t know who wrote it but i think it might’ve been a kid who drew it. I’ve often felt like my parents hated me (i hated them for that too) and i’ve often contemplated leaving. i’ve always came to the conclusion that they would be happy if i did so, or if I killed myself. I never did because I was 10 years old and I was scared what would happen to me and i didn’t exactly have the means to kms.

    • andros_rex@lemmy.world
      111·
      7 hours ago

      When I was 6, I told my mother I hated her and she threw away my entire Pokémon card collection. I think my hatred was probably justified. (I had a holo Charizard, bitch could have sold it for grocery money.)

      • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        7 hours ago

        My parents treated me mostly fine, though I’m fairly certain with my father it was fairly conditional, I was just careful to not get on his bad side. Now not so much.

        Even with acceptable or even good parents, I still find everything to be fairly existentially unpleasant. I resent being born.

        That said, despite that I still love my mom. Shes a good person despite having given birth to me.

          • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            7 hours ago

            I’ve not read any of his work but I am aware of him. I suspect that I’d likely agree with him on a lot. But I’ve also read that reading his work would probably make me even more depressed about being born.

            • andros_rex@lemmy.world
              5·
              6 hours ago

              I tried Camus’s “nothing matters so make up a meaning you like and run with it” for a while, which I think works for one’s first few existential crises.

              The clumsy solution I’ve stumbled on is viewing this all as a war against entropy and evil. Anger is a feeling that has escape velocity, that even if one feels crushed by the despair inherent to being human, you can at least pick up your “weapons” and keep tumbling on.

              There’s some positives in the experiences and small pleasures, like art and discussion and philosophy, but it’s mostly a fight.

              I think Planescape: Torment explores a lot of these ideas in a way that’s a bit less “despairingly” nihilistic. The “best” ending means the Nameless One spending eternity in hell fighting in a pointless brutal war - but it feels correct, it has meaning.

  • Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com
    101·
    7 hours ago

    I don’t necessarily think that comics that have toxic messages are inherently a problem.

    I think a perfectly reasonable parent would relate to the comic at some point. Read as more of a vent post I get it. So long as it’s recognised as a toxic perspective and is indulged as a temporary way to air their grievance in their own head I think it can be helpful

  • thingAmaBob@lemmy.world
    111·
    7 hours ago

    I mean, seems like these parents never wanted kids. It’s amazing how many pregnancies are accidental. I wonder how many would actually have children if everyone had 100% control over when to conceive.

  • HollowNaught@lemmy.worldEnglish
    303·
    18 hours ago

    Ngl, this post really doesn’t send a good message. Is it true for some people? Probably

    But my parents pushed me into 3 days of tafe, 2 days of uni, and 2 days of work a week when I was younger. It caused me to crash and burn

    It honestly makes people who are already doing a lot feel like they have to do more to make up for what their parents have given up for them, and that’s just unhealthy

    I had to move away from that mindset, and something like this really wouldn’t have helped

  • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
    433·
    21 hours ago

    Literally what I think would happen if I disappeared. This is kinda a dangerous post for people with suicidal ideation.

    • turnip@lemm.eeEnglish
      12·
      21 hours ago

      I’ve been watching Mr Rogers lately since I have a young kid now and I think thats the way to act. Even people he might disagree with he would have a chill discussion and respect their opinion, just letting them vent their problems.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    10513·
    1 day ago

    Thats extremely unhelpful and even harmful for many people

    Trigger warning: depression

    I personally have depression and have been through horrible things before I even turned 18. So yeah if you told me when I was 15 or 16 that eveyone around be would be significantly happier and better off with me not around I would genuenly consider jumping off a bridge.

    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
      141·
      22 hours ago

      I definitely see your point, though I took this as an anti-natalist joke, not a refutation of “It’s a Wonderful Life”.

      I’m inclined to wonder at what point the arguments of anti-natalism must be weighed against the nihilistic implications on those already born?

    • foofiepie@lemmy.world
      21·
      1 day ago

      Me too, and I agree it would have had a negative effect when I was at a vulnerable stage way back then.

      Now that I’m a grisly old bastard, and a parent, I found it funny af.

      So, mixed feelings.

    • bss03@infosec.pubEnglish
      341·
      1 day ago

      There’s a suicidal way of thinking that when you are gone everyone will be better off. I think the comic could contribute to that thinking, but maybe it’s meant to be a satirical rebuttal to that thinking instead.

      Poe’s Law

      • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
        24·
        19 hours ago

        I feel like anybody stuck in that state of mind would likely fail to see the satire in it.

      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        141·
        1 day ago

        maybe it’s meant to be a satirical rebuttal to that thinking instead

        I don’t see that. If it’s satire it’s pretty harmful and ineffective

        • bss03@infosec.pubEnglish
          3·
          22 hours ago

          I think the satire is to via hyperbole. My suicidal episodes did not make be think money would instantly appear in hand / in bank accounts, just that moving forward I would be no longer be a resource burden. This comic takes the results beyond reality to show how unreasonable even realistic expectations might be. (?)

          That’s my best defense of the satirical intent. The initial impression I got from the comic was not the satirical one; it did feel “toxic”, or at least a like a mean-spirited (not funny) “be careful what you wish for”.

  • Inucune@lemmy.world
    1027·
    1 day ago

    Maybe don’t constantly tell your 13 year old to get a job if they want something, then sabotage any attempt they make at getting a job?

    Maybe don’t have a kid so you have something resembling a proto-personality beyond self absorbed narcissism.

    Don’t expect a kid to fix a failing marriage.

    sometimes the kid saying that is a little shit. Sometimes it is the parents that are the problem.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      9 hours ago

      Don’t expect a kid to fix a failing marriage.

      “If I didn’t have a kid, my wife would be more fuckable” is the takeaway I get from this comic. And fuck me that’s sad.

    • kautau@lemmy.world
      37·
      1 day ago

      Yup. In my opinion if you want to have a child, the only reason should be to raise a better person than you or your spouse could be, and provide them with a better life than you had, enriching your life in the process. If you have a kid for any other reason, it’s out of selfishness

      • sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.chEnglish
        41·
        14 hours ago

        In that case you would be creating a child (that did not exist before) as a tool to show to yourself (and maybe others) that you can do better than your parents. As the child had no problems before it’s creation, and now has many, that’s still not in the interest of the child.

        The selfless thing to do would be to figure out if you would be an above-average adoptive parent. If you are or can be, then adopt a child that was created by someone else (maybe to show that they can do better than their parents, but life happened and they failed), and try to give them the best life possible in a society where everyone tries to outperform everyone else as the world is hurdling towards fascism and climate collapse.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        52·
        9 hours ago

        The trick to being stress free is to get older without any kind of family, to work yourself to death consumed entirely with your bank account high score, and to consume, consume, consume forever without any thought to the next generation.

        Fuck, this comic makes me want to have kids more, just because of how bleak and shallow the worldview is.

        • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          8 hours ago

          There are other things you can do other than mindlessly grind for wealth or drag another non-consenting consciousness or two into existence.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            23·
            8 hours ago

            Shame the comic doesn’t explore that.

            But also, its weird to claim babies are “dragged into existence” since there’s no way to establish who wants to be here.

            If we’re going to entertain non-existent people who don’t want to exist, we are obligated to consider non-existent people who do want to exist.

            • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
              4·
              8 hours ago

              If we’re going to entertain non-existent people who don’t want to exist, we are obligated to consider non-existent people who do want to exist.

              People who are happy to be alive does not “pay” for bringing someone unhappy into existence. In fact if you really think that you can justify all sorts of morally reprehensible things.

              But that isn’t precisely my point.

              Let me repeat: No one consents to being born. You cannot ask someone ahead of time if they’d like to be born. Any person born owes absolutely nothing to their parents and almost nothing to everyone else other than basic respect. Until of course they themselves give birth, and then they owe an infinite and unpayable debt to their children.

              Even if your child is perfectly content being alive throughout their life, they did not choose to be here. You brought them here and thus you still owe them a debt.

              • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                6 hours ago

                People who are happy to be alive does not “pay” for bringing someone unhappy into existence.

                How are you evaluating happiness absent existence? Hell, how are you evaluating happiness, period?

                Even if your child is perfectly content being alive throughout their life, they did not choose to be here.

                How do you reach that conclusion? We’re all just bits of matter, assembled in various shapes and configurations.

                He was here before he was born as matter. He’ll be here after he’s dead as matter. All life has given him is senses to perceive his surroundings and agency to affect them.

                Are you arguing a given child would be better off inert? Are blindness, deafness, and paralysis virtues?

                • HalfSalesman@lemm.eeEnglish
                  1·
                  2 hours ago

                  How do you reach that conclusion? We’re all just bits of matter, assembled in various shapes and configurations.

                  Because… inert matter doesn’t make decisions…

                  How are you evaluating happiness absent existence? Hell, how are you evaluating happiness, period?

                  As long as you accept the premise that some people are happy and some people are unhappy, I don’t think measuring it for precision matters.

                  Are you arguing a given child would be better off inert? Are blindness, deafness, and paralysis virtues?

                  They wouldn’t be a child if they were never born to begin with.

      • turnip@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        21 hours ago

        Just need a bit of DHT inhibitor, which is cheap because its out of patent.