This implies that the US never stopped committing genocide, and now even the most far-left American looks identical to the average Israeli leftist. At least in my view. But this view seems consistent with many others studying the same exact problem.

That begs the question, really: if we saw mass unionization and people going on strike in Israel, or if we saw a left-wing opposition win against Netanyahu and the far-right, or if a bunch of Israelis starting showing support for people in Africa… would we be cheering them on and getting excited? Does it really matter what they read, whether that be Lenin, Marx, Engels, etc., if many of their “Marxist” forefathers read the same work while gunning down Palestinians in 1947, or stealing their homes in 1948?

Better yet, if you were at a concert and your friends fell victim to an “attack” by some natives, would you have more sympathy for your friends, or for the people that attacked them? Regardless of whether or not it served some broader strategy?

And when you consider the many indigenous people who go on to serve in the US military, or the vocal minority that align with the current (and past) administration(s) of the US, would you use that as an excuse in the same manner Israelis point to Ethiopian, Arab and Muslim, Druze, etc. participants in Israeli society and/or military operation to the same extent?

Should we just ask right-wing Navajos what they think, and throw our hands in the air saying “see, indigenous people don’t care, it’s not a real genocide, our Communists are doing just fine”? Or should we ask Jay-Z about it, or maybe some old-school Chicano nationalists who want their own Aztlan?

I feel like most of the other excuses just remind me of the same Israeli (and former French Algerian) talking points, about how long the settlers lived there and how they have no where else to go, or statements/claims that anyone who doesn’t like it should just go to Gaza, go to another country, die, “just don’t vote”/“vote for the lesser evil”/“fix the system from within”/“settlers should just get along with the indigenous (and vice versa)”/“it’s not a real nation and will never be”/“there’s too many settlers”/“it’s just impossible or unrealistic”/“liberation will never happen”/“why can’t we all just work together”/“share the land”/“the natives aren’t ready for independence”/“their resistance isn’t good enough”/“they just want to get rid of (or kill) all the settlers”, or they point to the well-assimilated non-white/non-french/non-jewish population who speak positively of and enjoy/support the governing colonial entity, etc etc etc.

Let’s be real here. Does anyone actually believe a left-wing American organization is possible? Or should we look at Israel’s Labor Zionism, or Rhodesia’s Labor Party.

Better yet, should we be looking at the “Marxist” now running Sri Lanka, or to the Communist Party of Israel (Maki) and try to use them as legitimate examples?

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    Historically, the revolutionary class of the United States was the Black working class and it’s existence unlike Israel provides the US with an exit ramp in the event of collapse, the unique history of US slavery ironically created the foundation for genuine revolutionary development as opposed to the “settler leftism” that defines settler atrocities like Israel and French Algeria

    The historical and inevitable trajectory of Israel and the United States is collapse and blood, like all forms of fascism, settler colonialism contains within it the same self-defeating, self-destructive and warmongering mania that emerged in Nazism, Japanese militarism and Italian fascism

    Overreach and overextension are as inevitable as sun rise and sunset; socialism is not possible in Israel proper, but it is possible in the United States, just not under current conditions, at least not yet