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Spectre@lemmy.ml to The Deprogram Podcast@lemmygrad.ml · 2 months ago

Hakim on hookup culture and casual sex

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Hakim on hookup culture and casual sex

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    I’ve read some scientific reports/articles about this, and I was surprised that Hakim is largely right. Or at least, alot of it is right.

    That being said, it feels weird for him to comment on.

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      I wouldn’t pay too much attention to psychology studies. Not to harp on the “psychology isn’t science” shtick, but the fact is, it is extremely difficult to run studies on these kinds of things. Usually it boils down to mass questionaires that usually disregard other factors. Psychology studies are the epitome of “correlation does not mean causation”, and one should be very mindful of that before drawing conclusions.

      There’s probably destructive psychological effects associated with repeated casual sex, but is it the act itself causing it or other underlying factors?

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        Psychology is a science though. It’s relatively new in the grand scheme of things, but it’s very much a science.

        And I’m kind of tired of reading that correlation doesn’t equal causation. Most people already understand this.

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          You misunderstood. It’s a science, sure. But psychology studies things that are not at all easily quantifiable, and as such, studies in psychology should be taken with a grain of salt, unless one is willing to thoroughly examine the methods and data before reading the conclusions.

          And just to be clear, since you seem to be getting downvoted, I don’t think you should be getting downvoted.

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            I get that alot of psychological studies aren’t easily quantifiable, but I think most of the time that sounds like an excuse rather than a reason.

            After almost 2 centuries, psychology is just now starting to bear some fruit. Though more research and caution is always welcome.

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      Highly skeptical, link the studies.

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        Admittedly, the jury is still out and is mixed, but there is at least alot of truth in Hakim’s words. And I don’t approach this necessarily in a positive or negative light, just objectively.

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202105/casual-sex-benefits-vs-problems

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8579856/

        https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/02/ce-corner

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/202006/the-darker-side-of-casual-sex

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201303/how-casual-sex-can-affect-our-mental-health

        https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-impact-of-casual-sex-on-mental-health-5179455

        https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/2019/10/14/nine-things-you-should-know-about-casual-sex/

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-the-name-of-love/202109/is-casual-sex-really-so-bad

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          Interesting. I skimmed through the sources. It does read like about what I would expect. Mixed consensus and the studies tend to be focused on college campuses and self reporting. The largest one mentioned, if I read right, also admits that it’s somewhat of a causal link and may not be controlling for whether it’s that people who are already worse off in mental health are more likely to seek out casual sex to compensate, or that casual sex is the cause itself.

          It may have some crossover with use of porn, in that it can have negative outcomes due to the “disposable” nature of how a person can perceive it and the missing emotional connection when coming down from the sexual “high”, but can also be healthily enjoyed if the person has stable emotional connection through other means and is not trying to compensate for that with it.

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            Yeah, that all sounds about right. And it seems like the studies had some bias in favor of WASPs.

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