- USA leaving WHO
- stopping funding woke science like vaccines and virology
- rounding up all “illegal” agricultural workers, ya know, like maybe people that work in disgusting poultry farms with birds packed in like sardines in unhygienic conditions
- shipping those people all over the country, pack them into detention together, then send them out across the world via deportation
What could go wrong
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In retrospect, it seems obvious that people would flee Germany in the 1930s, but I’m sure at the time it was a more ambiguous decision.
It was an intellectual center of the world and an advanced industrialized nation.
Go fucnign where? I’m broke as shit and don’t have an advanced degree.
Stowaway on a cargo ship or steal a small boat and claim asylum in the first port city outside of the zone of control you’re escaping. Technically this is a protected right under international law, but most governments in the west don’t give a shit about international law and try to stop people doing this. You might die on the way or get chucked in a refugee camp for several years because of the brutal and inhumane policies lots of governments have against refugees, but that’s what people stuck in war zones usually have to do because there is no other choice.
Yea realistically we, in the imperial core, aren’t going to find some safe haven somewhere. That’s why organizing is so important. Facing this alone is impossible.
@take_five_seconds@hexbear.net
Being a stowaway is risky as all hell. Most sailors have stories of either them or a friend of theirs having had stowaways who mysteriously fell overboard in the dead of night. It’s a massive hassle to have a stowaway because you have to tell the port authority and good luck getting in once they know you have one.
You can pass them from ship to ship, which some people do, but then that’s just gonna be your life for several years.
Okay, what if you hide in a container then? Tough it out? Unless you’ve got contacts with a smuggler, you’re going to have to sneak into one yourself, and those things are inspected before getting closed. That means you can’t really pack a lot of stuff, you can’t bring a big barrel of supplies. Let’s hope you don’t starve to death or die of thirst.
You’ll still be risking carbon monoxide AND carbon dioxide poisoning. And you could freeze to death or even just get squashed in stormy weather.Despite this people still do it, which tells you how dire everything is.
But tbh most Americans can go to europe on a student or work visa pretty easily. Even a temporary one and you can just sort of… Disappear after your time runs out. Just don’t have a set address.
You can work at hostels in exchange for room and board while you work your shit out. You could try claiming asylum once you’re here.
Doing that is also tough, you’re leaving everything behind. Friends, family, furniture. Starting a new life from scratch is not easy nor is it fun. You can do it though.Consider getting into contact with @kristina@hexbear.net (hope its okay I pinged you)
I know she knows more about this stuff than I do and I’m sure she could point you in the right direction. If it’s a serious consideration of yours.Edit - A brief thought experiment to make you consider how much it sucks to be a stowaway.
Have you ever been sailing? On a boat of some kind? If you have, try to remember how it felt to be in that boat when the waves were at their worst. Not good. You get thrown around, it’s arythmic too. You don’t have solid ground under your feet, you don’t know when it will stop and there’s nothing you can do to make it less than it is.
With me so far? Alright, a quick aside.
Whatever you experienced was probably not too bad. Most people never spend even 24 hours on the water and certainly not out on the open ocean. Among those people the majority travelled the open ocean on board acruise ships. These vessels are comparatively slow and they are built with several modules that are meant to make the ship move less.
These modules create drag and draw power, but aren’t really necessary. You can be on a wavy ship, you get used to it. Cruise ships just do it because not being on a wavy ship is a better experience.aside on seasickness
if you ever get seasick or motionsickness the best cure is to limit your motion, eat something that you can keep down (crackers are great for this), keep warm and stare at the horizon.
Anyway
Cargoships don’t have these modules.
Knowing that: Imagine you’re on board a massive vessel, carrying thousands of containers. Maybe you’re inside a container, maybe you’re hiding in some room somewhere on board.
The conditions on board has made you constipated. Normally this would worry you, but now it’s a blessing, since the only place to relieve yourself is the far corner of your hideyhole. That corner isn’t very far away and the place reeks.
It’s cold out on the ocean and, so, you are cold. You’re sea sick even when the ocean is calm, because you can feel the ship moving, but you can’t see it. That really messes with you.
The ocean isn’t calm though, it’s stormy and the ship is going 30 knots, hammering thru wave after wave. You haven’t been able to sleep in, what you assume, is two days. The ship is rolling from side to side, the ground under your feet tilting 20 degrees one way and then the other.
And you are in a dark room unable to see the horizon, unable to see when the next wave will hit. And you can hear the crew working outside, working to fasten the cargo and maintain the ship and all you can do is pray they dont hear you or look too closely at your hiding place.
And your voyage has only just begun.Being a stowaway is incredibly dangerous I really do not recommend that at all. Illegal border crossings are much safer, and even those are risky. Getting visa and staying elsewhere is best and makes it easier to stay permanently in most countries but claiming asylum is actually a very difficult process that requires a lot of very persistent and oftentimes posttraumatic injuries as evidence. Like you need official documents that some guy blew your arm off. Countries don’t tend to take queer asylum requests seriously, visa is by far the easiest method. And then we can discuss things like hooking you up with supportive locals.
Its not so hard to upgrade visas if you get your foot on the soil, apply for jobs everywhere and anywhere.
Thanks! Yeah I’ve heard too many nightmare stories about stowaways.
I know a trans Mexican that illegally crossed the border and lost her foot from getting a busted ankle in the desert. She wishes she just saved money and flew in on visa.
And that’s just illegal crossings, stowaway stuff can be way more dangerous
I have a few friends who work in the merchant marine and they all have harrowing stories.
CW grim shit. Murder.
One of them (well, this guy is more a friend of a friend) has PTSD because on his first voyage the first mate made him kill a stowaway. That is the worst story, but it’s brutal. He got told it was him or the stowaway and then handed a wrench. Absolute depths diabolical. That’s the worst one I know, but still.
On the bright side another friend once encountered a Syrian family in a container at the end of the voyage and he just pretended he hadn’t seen anything.
Still stowaway is close to the absolute worst way to flee.
I don’t know a lot about all the other stuff, which is why I pinged you. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. That you need to be able to show injuries to seek asylum should not surprise me, but it does.
I don’t have any close friends who are refugees. The few acquaintances I have that are all did the visa trick. It kinda surprises me how easy they make it seem. Like they just overstayed their visa and never got busted. Seems risky. There’s a good support network, but still.
Mexico is doing incredible things rn
I really need to get my passport ready
Need to renew mine TBH, might as well do it ASAP before something big happens.
Oh fuck I should renew my passport
It can take months at the best of times!
Also, the growing popularity of raw milk and the guy nominated for the Secretary of HHS endorsing it.
Also also children catching bird flu with no known animal vector.
Also also also that same bird flu spreading coast-to-coast and throughout wild animal populations.
children catching bird flu with no known animal vector.
I totally missed this, got a source handy?
Not a lib: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/san-francisco-reports-h5n1-avian-flu-child
Yeah that’s what I was talking about - a kid who doesnt work in any industry that exposes them to the virus got sick. That’s not necessarily indicative of human transmission but it indicates, to me, that catching bird flu from an animal is quite easy.
Shit seems so dire. I was born in this fucking country, I barely speak Spanish yet as irrational as it might be rn, it’s not unreasonable to believe they’ll eventually try to round up others like me and deport us. My whole fucking life is here. The Trump admin is going after the most vulnerable right now, other “undesirables” could be next week. It feels completely pointless to plan for the future right now, the moon is falling in three days.
I wish it needn’t happen in my time.
I am freaking out about birdflu. The fact it isn’t human-human yet despite all the outbreaks makes me more worried, not less. It seems like it should’ve jumped and the reason I haven’t heard about it is just because it’s being suppressed. Will I even know before it goes international? Will anything be done this time around?
