I work with a lib who thinks it’s a silly conspiracy theory that the CIA would have been involved, and I get the vibe from him that he believes it would actually change things if the facts came out and it was actually the CIA behind it; I’ve spent a fair bit of time trying to convince him that unlike in the movies, when the facts come out and they reveal horrific stuff, people will just find reasons to be okay with it (as opposed to movies that give the impression that the truth coming out would cause change, as if America isn’t just a lib/chud wasteland).
I have an older friend who is really into aliens. It’s like, their thing. And they are completely 100% convinced that once the truth about aliens comes out it’s
GOING
TO
CHANGE
EVERTHING
and my other friends and I try to tell them like “oh yeah, well you’re still gonna go to work the next day, I’m still gonna have to pay rent, and I’m still gonna want my coffee. ‘Knowing’ about aliens doesn’t really change any of that.”
Like others have said, people will learn about things and find a way to square it with their life as already lived. And like you said, it’s absolute idealism. But this friend is convicned that we need no politics, no revolution, no change, just aliens, and that’ll do.
I don’t think that narrows it down quite enough. Cause the Octavia Butler books immediately come to mind with that description but I don’t think that is exactly it.
That reminds me of an article I was reading about whether Trump would invade Mexico or not after classifying cartels as terrorist organizations.
There were a bunch of people speaking about how it could go down, etc., and there was one dude whose contribution was to basically say, ‘What people who are saying there will be a military intervention forget is that it’s not that easy because it would essentially be a declaration of war.’ Wow. Really? That’s such a relief. That has definitely stopped the US from invading countries in the past! Fucking bozo dumbass.
The most important part of declaring cartels as terrorist organizations is that the fucking post-9/11 AUMF, which is still in effect almost a quarter century later, would apply.
I work with a lib who thinks it’s a silly conspiracy theory that the CIA would have been involved, and I get the vibe from him that he believes it would actually change things if the facts came out and it was actually the CIA behind it; I’ve spent a fair bit of time trying to convince him that unlike in the movies, when the facts come out and they reveal horrific stuff, people will just find reasons to be okay with it (as opposed to movies that give the impression that the truth coming out would cause change, as if America isn’t just a lib/chud wasteland).
“There’s no way it could have been the CIA. Their charter explicitly forbids them from operating on US soil!”
Edit:
It is worth noting that this is a PERFECT crystallization of what idealism means (believing reality is shaped and transformed by thought).
it’s amazing and sad how so many liberal beliefs can be distilled into “DOGS CANT PLAY BASKETBALL”
I hate this; this basically happened with a question I asked on reddit: https://hexbear.net/post/2890111
Someone actually tried to say Biden can’t do anything about Trump’s run for presidency because “iphones can’t eat cheeseburgers” (https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/1dssr87/if_trump_or_the_republican_party_is_actually_that/lb4h44k/)
EDIT: And he doubles down on his example on a followup reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/1dssr87/if_trump_or_the_republican_party_is_actually_that/lb4ln1f/
Love that he doesn’t respond to the person spelling out the flaw in his logic
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I have an older friend who is really into aliens. It’s like, their thing. And they are completely 100% convinced that once the truth about aliens comes out it’s
GOING
TO
CHANGE
EVERTHING
and my other friends and I try to tell them like “oh yeah, well you’re still gonna go to work the next day, I’m still gonna have to pay rent, and I’m still gonna want my coffee. ‘Knowing’ about aliens doesn’t really change any of that.”
Like others have said, people will learn about things and find a way to square it with their life as already lived. And like you said, it’s absolute idealism. But this friend is convicned that we need no politics, no revolution, no change, just aliens, and that’ll do.
It’ll be this tbh
This gave me a laugh, thanks
Unless they pull a Childhood’s End and
spoiler
pull a human instrumentality project on us.
That’d make a change
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I don’t think that narrows it down quite enough. Cause the Octavia Butler books immediately come to mind with that description but I don’t think that is exactly it.
Hmm not sure
I’m searching online, but I don’t think I’ll have more luck than you have.
yummy fanter
I wouldn’t mind the tang
That reminds me of an article I was reading about whether Trump would invade Mexico or not after classifying cartels as terrorist organizations.
There were a bunch of people speaking about how it could go down, etc., and there was one dude whose contribution was to basically say, ‘What people who are saying there will be a military intervention forget is that it’s not that easy because it would essentially be a declaration of war.’ Wow. Really? That’s such a relief. That has definitely stopped the US from invading countries in the past! Fucking bozo dumbass.
The most important part of declaring cartels as terrorist organizations is that the fucking post-9/11 AUMF, which is still in effect almost a quarter century later, would apply.
Yup.
Meanwhile, the CIA has their version of COINTELPRO called Operation CHAOS and the FBI has oversea offices throughout the world.
Ah yes the classic “force the vote” argument.