I see you guys posting these ceasefire violation images all the time like it’s some smoking gun for Ukraine being the aggressor in their defensive war.
Where does it show which troops the ceasefire violation was committed by? And why would ceasefire violations along an internal border like this warrant a full scale invasion from another country?
I see you guys posting these ceasefire violation images all the time like it’s some smoking gun for Ukraine being the aggressor in their defensive war
Russia is fighting a defensive war against NATO expansion and Ukraine is the aggressor here, they are the ones who violated Minsk 1/2 and never fulfilled their duty to go through a constitutional reform and grant Donetsk and Lugansk more autonomy:
Are you suggesting that people in Donetsk and Lugansk bombed themselves to make Ukraine look bad?
And why would ceasefire violations along an internal border like this warrant a full scale invasion from another country?
Because it’s a violation of the ceasefire between Ukraine and the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, the three were supposed to stay as one country so long as Ukraine kept their promise and didn’t violate Minsk 2, but they did so now we have an even bigger war there.
Then why did Russia start amassing troops and preparing for war months before these ceasefire violations even happened?
What’s more plausible, that Russia has precognitive abilities, or that it was looking for an excuse?
And isn’t attacking another country kind of counter to this whole ‘peace talks’ narrative you seem to be suggesting? Shouldn’t Russia itself start with condemning the ceasefire violations, instead of entering Ukraine with their army?
No matter which way you try to slice it, Russia is an aggressor.
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Btw I would have no trouble believing that Russia (or Russian-aligned separatists) bombed a part of Ukraine to make Ukraine look bad and take over the territory. They’re committing war crimes left and right, and this would not be the worst one.
Lol, precognitive abilities. That’s what you need to maintain your cognitive dissonance? The US has been pushing NATO expansion to Russia’s border since 1992. It doesn’t take a genius to see a pattern that unfolds and repeats over 3 decades.
Your entire narrative relies on Russia just suddenly being an aggressive so that you can attribute the root cause to its internal evil. The reality is that Russia has been talking about this for 30 years and has been very consistent with how it communicated its national security needs. Each aggression you have seen from Russia is part of Russia attempting to respond to US/NATO expansion.
Remember that Russia was invaded twice across the Ukraine border: first by France under Napoleon and then by Germany under the Third Reich. This time, NATO is a transnational nuclear military with no democratic accountability and instead of fighting across Europe it is negotiating across Europe but the strategic positioning is still the same: a massive nuclear military is marching across Europe, aimed at Russia, staffed and developed under Nazi leadership (literally, look it up), and attempting to put a readiness presence at the indefensible border. Russia amassed troops at the border because of history, not because of fantasy precog nor fantasy evil.
Way to conveniently forget the hostile takeover of Crimea
Ah yes, the hostile takeover that happened after a popular referendum and saw no resistance from the local population, very much violent, unlike Ukraine shelling Donbass for years of course, that was just defensive peacekeeping to maintain democracy in Europe!
Also, something happened inside of Ukraine’s borders is now provocation… For Russia to invade?
Yes, because as it turns out it wasn’t inside Ukraine’s borders, it was a violation of the DPR/LPR’s borders since Ukraine backstabbed everyone and decided to rip Minsk 2 apart :^)
The Union State,[b] or Union State of Russia and Belarus,[c] is a supranational union consisting of Belarus and Russia, with the stated aim of deepening the relationship between the two states through integration in economic and defence policy.[6][7]
Western media reporting on dumb things to spread fear and propaganda, as always.
LOL
Here’s two little things that happened literally just days before Russia decided to invade:
Ceasefire violations against the DPR and LPR:
Zelensky threatening to pull out of the non-proliferation treaty and acquire nuclear weapons: https://uawire.org/zelensky-ukraine-may-reconsider-its-nuclear-status
I see you guys posting these ceasefire violation images all the time like it’s some smoking gun for Ukraine being the aggressor in their defensive war.
Where does it show which troops the ceasefire violation was committed by? And why would ceasefire violations along an internal border like this warrant a full scale invasion from another country?
Russia is fighting a defensive war against NATO expansion and Ukraine is the aggressor here, they are the ones who violated Minsk 1/2 and never fulfilled their duty to go through a constitutional reform and grant Donetsk and Lugansk more autonomy:
“11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in Note [1], until the end of 2015. (See Notes)”
In the OSCE reports:
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512506
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512605
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512629
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512683
Are you suggesting that people in Donetsk and Lugansk bombed themselves to make Ukraine look bad?
Because it’s a violation of the ceasefire between Ukraine and the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, the three were supposed to stay as one country so long as Ukraine kept their promise and didn’t violate Minsk 2, but they did so now we have an even bigger war there.
Then why did Russia start amassing troops and preparing for war months before these ceasefire violations even happened?
What’s more plausible, that Russia has precognitive abilities, or that it was looking for an excuse?
And isn’t attacking another country kind of counter to this whole ‘peace talks’ narrative you seem to be suggesting? Shouldn’t Russia itself start with condemning the ceasefire violations, instead of entering Ukraine with their army?
No matter which way you try to slice it, Russia is an aggressor.
Edit:
Btw I would have no trouble believing that Russia (or Russian-aligned separatists) bombed a part of Ukraine to make Ukraine look bad and take over the territory. They’re committing war crimes left and right, and this would not be the worst one.
Lol, precognitive abilities. That’s what you need to maintain your cognitive dissonance? The US has been pushing NATO expansion to Russia’s border since 1992. It doesn’t take a genius to see a pattern that unfolds and repeats over 3 decades.
Your entire narrative relies on Russia just suddenly being an aggressive so that you can attribute the root cause to its internal evil. The reality is that Russia has been talking about this for 30 years and has been very consistent with how it communicated its national security needs. Each aggression you have seen from Russia is part of Russia attempting to respond to US/NATO expansion.
Remember that Russia was invaded twice across the Ukraine border: first by France under Napoleon and then by Germany under the Third Reich. This time, NATO is a transnational nuclear military with no democratic accountability and instead of fighting across Europe it is negotiating across Europe but the strategic positioning is still the same: a massive nuclear military is marching across Europe, aimed at Russia, staffed and developed under Nazi leadership (literally, look it up), and attempting to put a readiness presence at the indefensible border. Russia amassed troops at the border because of history, not because of fantasy precog nor fantasy evil.
Way to conveniently forget the hostile takeover of Crimea.
Also, something happened inside of Ukraine’s borders is now provocation… For Russia to invade? Conveniently having amassed 150k troops along Ukraine’s border, while the world has been publicly discussing their imminent invasion for months?
Russia decided to invade months earlier.
Just how much are they paying you, huh?
Ah yes, the hostile takeover that happened after a popular referendum and saw no resistance from the local population, very much violent, unlike Ukraine shelling Donbass for years of course, that was just defensive peacekeeping to maintain democracy in Europe!
Yes, because as it turns out it wasn’t inside Ukraine’s borders, it was a violation of the DPR/LPR’s borders since Ukraine backstabbed everyone and decided to rip Minsk 2 apart :^)
10 rubles per comment /s
You mean the referendum that happened AFTER the Russian military invaded? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097
I’m sure having a gun to their heads had nothing to do with it.
So you’re just straight up gonna lie now…?
What about it is a lie? The DPR and LPR had real borders and Ukraine violated those borders by deciding to rip apart Minsk 2 and attack them.
@Krause @dandi8 https://news.yahoo.com/russia-belarus-strategy-document-230035184.html Sure sure also say that this fake and this is fake https://news.yahoo.com/belarusian-president-displays-map-suggesting-222320415.html . Btw if you would, can you check on USSR history textbook of I don’t know 1990 and compare it to modern Russian History books? I think you might see a pattern there, I won’t point out which, but there is tendency in Russia to censorship. Btw your facts might hold up year ago, you know why it no longer facts? Because https://kbin.social/m/Ukraine_UA/t/314777 like how many times Russia can lie? Always
The Union State already exists and has since 1999: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State
Western media reporting on dumb things to spread fear and propaganda, as always.
@Krause Sure sure pick one point of all interconected ones. I also remember this news that would celebrate Russia victory https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html so it’s not an Belarus + Russian as you claim. Heck there is this clown of the show https://v.redd.it/4cyvhkmvcjk81 digging old news is fun! But just right now I saw these news https://moldovamatters.substack.com/p/lukashenko-predicts-an-invasion-of . But suuuure it’s all Ukraine fault, because NAZI! Well good luck with this clown!
Why did you @ me? I’m pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia.