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Weedian [he/him]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 7 months ago

insane take on Ta-Nehisi Coate's book

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  • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    I will never forgive Disney for introducing Wakanda to white people

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      It was created by white people for white audiences tho?

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        Am I the only person who thought the giant forcefield protecting Wakanda being activated/deactivated by a tribal drumming routine a bit iffy? To me that would be like MI6 Q labs being unlocked by a Morris dancer troop.

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          I’m still mad they kept the weird “We pick kings through ritual combat” angle

          Which, you know, making the technologically advanced nation governmentally regressive is still really racist

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            Liberals have no understanding of the coupling between productive forces and social organization.

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            Let’s be honest, if they didn’t do that they would’ve made the African king picked through a western-style bourgeois liberal democracy, which would’ve been worse lol

            • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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              So, the fun thing about it is that in the comics, there is a story arc where M’Baku (at the time, still using the moniker of the Man-Ape, which… yeah) is the one who manages to fight King T’Chaka and kill him to assume the role of King of Wakanda

              This story arc was considered so out-of-touch and racist, that Marvel immediately went out of their way to hire a series of Black authors to helm the title

              Some of them went out of their way to establish Wakandan politics as being more of a Council Democracy where the 12 tribes of Wakanda voted for their tribal leader and then the tribal leaders voted for the King

              The position of King was essentially just picking the Black Panther (Wakanda’s strongest protector) and representing Wakanda on the world stage

              To see them deliberately going back to ritual combat is definitely Disney making a Statement

              Especially with the sequel where they tried to force a similar thing with making Atlantis a mish-mash of Pre-Columbian cultures and saying that Namor’s name came from the conquistadors saying “No Amor” which, what the fuck?

              • bigbrowncommie69 [any]@hexbear.net
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                Idk about this cause the ritual combat thing has come back frequently in recent history including during the Reginald Hudlin run, which has informed most contemporary takes on the character, and in some of the cartoons as well like Avengers: EMH.

                I will say I like what Coogler did with Man-Ape, made him a much more balanced and nuanced character.

      • Sinister [none/use name, comrade/them]@hexbear.netB
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        It was created by a white person for a white audience as he imagined black americans would like to be seen.

        Thats why wakanda is more like black americans cosplaying as native africans and they somehow speak xhosa near the great lakes of africa lol

      • LeZero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Sure but at least it was pretty niche before that, Black Panther wasn’t really Spider-man or the X-men and US comic book sales had been slowly dropping over time.

        Now I have to see some Zionist racist compare Liberia to Wakanda

      • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Yes, but sometimes a joke is funnier if it doesn’t make sense

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        Even wypipo would ideally know better than to have “the world’s friendliest CIA agent” among the supporting cast of heroes in the movie. Or so I’d like to think… though then again, “CIA killing/torturing/drugging Anglo wypipo = bad, CIA killing/torturing/drugging anyone else = good” probably is the logic

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Killmonger did nothing wrong

      • Sinister [none/use name, comrade/them]@hexbear.netB
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        No he wanted to kill all non-blacks by sending weapon caches to London and Shanghai!

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          waow-based

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    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      that movie is literally about the CIA ‘saving’ an African nation by installing their own leader

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    Why do Zionists act like Isreal was “carved out of the desert” from nothing? Palestine has been inhabited by people for thousands of years. Some of the oldest continously inhabited cites are in the Levant.

    I mean i get its there nonsense propaganda, but it’s so ignorant of just obvious things - like you know thousand year old cities

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      It is part of the dehumanization of the native population. “They were all primitive and savage and now look how we’ve civilized the place.” To propagate the myth of a land without a people, just the same as the Native American or the Native Australian populations who have been conveniently ignored so you could displace and/or kill them.

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        I never realized it but you’re right that it seems extremely reminiscent of the myth of the untouched wilderness of North America or Australia. It’s like “Wow! It’s so empty and ready for settling!” when there’s whole populations and societies who have lived there for thousands of years and carefully cultivated the environment. Both still have to go through a long, struggling genocide to settle the area so you think that would dispel the myth right there, but for some reason it still persists for all 3 areas, even today.

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          the term colonists came up with for this illusion is “terra nullius”

    • Sinister [none/use name, comrade/them]@hexbear.netB
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      Palestine was fertile olive groves and wheat fields since antiquity. Is Italy a desert as well?

      Its like euro settlers in the americas calling native civilizations “a vast empty wilderness”

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        It is simultaneously the land of milk and honey promised to them by god and also a lifeless desert with no prior inhabitants, except them 3000 years ago they were there first, err I mean exclusively.

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        A side effect of the Nakba was increased desertification of Palestine, because Isn’treal neither had the manpower, nor the knowledge of running the intricate water infrastructure of palestine after ethnically cleansing most of the place.

        Israel did not make the desert bloom, it made the larger.

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      The whole project is anchored around delusional worldbuilding, the point is to erase thousands of years of history and construct a simulacra dreamt up in the fever dreams of 19th century European orientalists

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      Ignorant? They’re well aware, they’re just lying

    • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
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      The term “The Frontier” was already taken by the USA.

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    If white people are so great how come nowhere in Europe looks like the city from the Jetsons?

    • Belly_Beanis [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Europeans claim to have superior food, but they can’t even terraform their continent into a giant garden where you just pick food up off the ground or throw a rock and hit a large animal.

  • TotalBrownout [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Same racist that argued that reconstruction was “objectively bad” and the idea that blacks deserved something better than Jim Crow was “communism.”

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      She also “subtly” implied Emmett Till had it coming

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      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        I just typed out a comment about how this is the kind of rhetoric that led to his murder, and unfortunately I am proven right. What a despicable person.

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          Only Zionists have the audacity to use racist imagery of non-white men sexually assaulting white women to justify “retaliatory” violence (ranging from “individual” lynching to collective punishment/pogroms) and then act incredulous when someone from a group historically targeted by that violence doesn’t want to fuck with them.

          (Yes, I know many non-white Israelis exist and can be just as much Zionist-fascist pigs. Doesn’t mean Israelis aren’t perceived to be whiter and more “Western” than Palestinians by Westoids, which is something that the Zionists themselves love to exploit)

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      What is reconstruction ?

      Also lmao bruh

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        It’s a period of US history. Post-Civil War. I’m assuming she’s arguing against the amendments made for freed slaves during that time

        Edit: looks like she spends most of the argument making the case that the poor confederates were treated so harshly post-war when in reality the Republicans should have gone a lot harder

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          Lmao what a disgusting human being

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      • Rania 🇩🇿@lemmygrad.ml
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        Read settlers

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          • Rania 🇩🇿@lemmygrad.ml
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            It’s not only about the U.S. it talks about settlerism in the U.S. which is very similar to Israeli settlerism, it is a must read not only for people in the U.S. but anyone who lives in or under settler colonial state.

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        • MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          It was written by someone who thought Leninism was a psyop from the bourgeoisie ,I know it’s politics are Marxist Leninist but still

          I will read it Ig

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    When Liberia was founded, the “Americo-Liberians” subjugated local Africans and placed them on the bottom of the social hierarchy even after “equality was formally mandated and the True Whigs’ dominance in politics lessened. It was one of several galvanizing factors of the Liberian Civil War.

    So the fact that she made that comparison is interesting…

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    Also, Africa famously did have its own version of Israel, and she probably wants it back

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      In fact, it had several

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    the racism just dripping off of this

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    is this implying she sees israel as a real wakanda

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      I think a lot of people see Israel as this miraculous techno-utopia that sprung out of the desert. For them, it’s not about Building A Better Future - the Better Future is Now, and the dastardly Muslim are trying to mess it all up!

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]@hexbear.net
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      that’s definitely how the people who made that movie see israel lol

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      From my neurodivergent perception, the whole argument for Israel’s existence is that it’s Jewish Wakanda, made so that they’ll never be genocided ever again, and thus it should exist as an inalienable untouchable enclave and allowed to do whatever it wants.

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    fidel-wut

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    Only zionists can call a mediterranean climate area a “desert” like the known deserts of italy and greece

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      thing is, desertification accelerated under zionist occupation because they keep replacing native plants with shitty european ones

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        This

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      food deserts of italy and greece anti-italian-action

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    Helen, your mask is breakinganti-cracker-aktion

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    I love this. Ta-Nehisi Coate’s going from a liberal darling to persona non grata amongst the nastiest and most deranged liberals. The tide is truly turning, lol. Most people are gonna be ride or die for him, not for Kamala or Joe. I read him when I was a liberal, he does the job of getting you almost to the finish line on a lot of policies and ideas.

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      Plus it’s been darkly amusing to watch those same liberals struggle not to call him the n-word

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    In the study of Zionism, there are actually some really interesting parallels between Marcus Garvey and Theodore Herzl. But Herzl never had J. Edgar Hoover as a nemesis.

    • Antiwork [none/use name, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Can you please explain

      • Venat [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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        no, these are the best types of hexbear comments. No context are the best, followed by axioms without explanations, and then just quoting another comment but highlighting a particular sentence without comment.

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          Peak posting

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          @carpoftruth@hexbear.net I know you’re a mod, and I am FORMERLY REQUESTING that his comment becomes a tagline.

          Please.

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            noted, are you talking about steamedhamberder’s quote or Venat’s that you are replying to?

            also, I am but a knight of the news and I don’t know who is in charge of taglines @CARCOSA@hexbear.net who does taglines?

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              Venat. It would make a perfect tagline.

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          You’re gonna be a star, kid.

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    • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      see the comment in this very thread where the same kkkracka (literally this time) implies that Emmett Till deserved lynching…

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        Everything mentioned in the thread indicates she trades almost exclusively in white supremacist dog whistles.

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    I always knew in the back of my mind that I would see this weirdo again, didn’t know it would be because she found a way to rewrite a racist 4chan meme in smug liberal zionist lingo

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