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Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

How some of the post-federation Ukraine threads feel like

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How some of the post-federation Ukraine threads feel like

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Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago
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    Assuming that it was even legitimate to begin with, which is a big if, a popular vote doesn’t automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

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      Assuming that it was even legitimate to begin with

      “Democracy is when the stupid foreigners vote how I think they should, otherwise it’s not legitimate”

      doesn’t automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

      If the people vote overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine, then that shows that Crimea isn’t Ukraine’s to relinquish or not. Liberals and abandoning democracy as soon as it becomes a rhetorical inconvenience for them, name a more iconic duo.

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        TFW when being pro-Russia with regards to the Ukraine conflict is also being imperialist 🤡

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          recognizing the geopolitical reality of the situation is not being pro-Russia 🤡

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            I was wondering when it would be most appropriate to deploy the PPB

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                  Good idea right there

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      a “popular vote” doesn’t automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

      Good you acknowledge that even the westoid cope for the Euromaidan coup is bullshit.

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      If your aim is to prevent war, what is your solution for when the vast majority of people in one country want to join another, and vote accordingly?

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        A complicated situation certainly, but whatever the answer is, it is not “collude with a neighbouring foreign nation, allow them to invade, and provoke a military conflict.”

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          So you don’t have an answer, but “a vote followed by annexation” is unacceptable for some reason? Why reject a peaceful solution that results in people having the government they want to live under?

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          Apparently it’s “collude with local fascists and US MIC and allow them to provoke a military conflict and wage a proxy war with Russia”

          Pretty extreme answer for a situation you consider to be “complicated”

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      territorial integrity takes precedence over popular will

      we agree taiwan isn’t a country then

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          sounds like someone hasn’t asked my friends in the Taiwanese Liberation Subreddit what their opinions are!

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