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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 9 months ago

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Memes vs Reality

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 9 months ago
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  • _____@lemm.ee
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    “that could be me on the right if I sit in this desk 9 to 5 for the next 30 years” 🤡

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    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism it’s just the opposite.

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      Woman empowers woman?

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        True, considering the advances the USSR made in women’s rights.

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        Communism has been feminism all along.

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      Under Capitalism, the bourgeoisie exploits the proletariat. Under Communism its just the opposite.

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      How can the prolétariat exploit the bourgeoisie if they’re not even productive enough?

  • pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org
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    This isn’t capitalism, thats pretty much libertainism.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Literally happening under capitalism, but do ho on.

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      Funny how capitalism trends towards libertarianism, but only for the rich.

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        Yes, that is very correct

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    Under communism everyone is poor. Under capitalism most are poor

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      Under Communism poverty is erradicated or close to it. The floor is raised and the ceiling is lowered.

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        And also a small group of people monopolize power and wealth to oppress those who didn’t

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          …You’re describing capitalism.

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            • Alsephina@lemmy.ml
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              Hmm?

              Poverty rates are steadily decreasing in China...

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

              ...under every income group.

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              While homeownership rates have been steadily rising, reaching 90% in 2018

              Those are some bold claims to make with nothing to back it up, when in fact reality says otherwise.

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                • Alsephina@lemmy.ml
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                  A market economy under a socialist state, similar to what the USSR had under the NEP for its first 20 years.

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              Explain this graph:

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                  Late 1991, but yep, that’s when inequality skyrocketed, as it was illegally disbanded and the former state sliced up and sold for parts to the highest bidder against the wishes of the public at large, causing roughly 7 million deaths.

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                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  I’m assuming you’ll actually answer now that the full source is linked, correct? Or are you just incapable of facing reality?

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                  I’m usually quite particular about labelling axes, but this graph has both axes partially labled, and while the dates are easily inferred, the meaning of the left axis is in the footer, as is the general explanation.

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              You’re confusing private property with personal property. While this is a very common mistake, you can’t claim to have an informed opinion about communism while still making it, it’s 101 level stuff.

              Further, you are also making the other very common error of assuming the state is oppressive because it is like some kind of monolith somehow cut off from the rest of society as though the peoples staffing it weren’t as much part of society as everyone else, this is not the case, whether a state apparatus is oppressive and against whom it is oppressive is dictated by the class character of the state, a factor that is systematically neglected by the peoples using variations of “power always corrupt” truisms to “analyze” a state.

              tl;dr: you’re knowledge of communism and communist theory and praxis is very surface level at best, go read some reading list from prolewiki’s library, To criticize something you need to know at least the basics of it first.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          Incorrect.

          Wealth inequality was far lower in the USSR than the Tsarist system before it, the Capitalist system after it, and than western countries. Additionally, Soviet Democracy was extensive, with far more political participation than western countries have.

          Read Blackshirts and Reds.

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            Also, poverty rates are steadily decreasing in China...

            ...under every income group.

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            While homeownership rates have been steadily rising, reaching 90% in 2018

            I’d also recommend Human Rights In The Soviet Union, Including Comparisons With The U.S.A. by Albert Szymanski

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              Excellent addition, comrade.

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              I’ve heard lemmy.ml claim China is not communist, before. I guess they are communist only when it supports your argument.

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                I’m seeing /u/10_0 from lemmy.ml in this thread trying to argue against socialism, currently. I guess they are anticommunist only when… what was your point again?

                Anyone claiming China isn’t socialist is grossly misinformed.

                • Deng Xiaoping on productive forces

                • Socialism With Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                Lemmy.ml isn’t like Lemmygrad or Hexbear, where you are required to be a Leftist, or accept Leftism and want to learn. Lemmy.ml is maintained by Marxist-Leninists and the ML references Marxism-Leninism, but non-Communists use it too.

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                  Yeah, but that excuse is only used when people are criticising communist using China as an example, that’s why I consider China’s status as a communist nation an opinion that lemmy.ml always flip flops on.

                  And by what metric is China considered a communist nation?

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          I have. Which ones do you recommend?

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              Any russian book? Like This Soviet World? Or does that not count because she was born in America?

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                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  You might learn something.

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                  my history knowledge is only broad

                  And very shallow apparently…

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    Well, at least under capitalism a few people do get to live well…

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      Yep, under Communism everyone lives decently.

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      True

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        Well yeah, the capitalist class that exploits workers do get to live well under a system where they rule.

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            You’re just trolling us now, right? Or are you hedgekid completely divorced from reality?

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            Ha yes, you can just do that. It’s totally not out of reach for all the peoples who have to work 2~3 jobs at once and still can’t save any money because even the basic necessities for survival are sold at extortion prices not to mention possible medical, college debt or mortgages.

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