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minus-squareDessalines@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up10arrow-down1·9 个月前Colonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down5·9 个月前I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up9arrow-down3·9 个月前If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down4·9 个月前Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so. For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up6arrow-down2·9 个月前But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down4·9 个月前I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down3·9 个月前The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down5·9 个月前 It has only existed in a colonialist form. There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
Colonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so.
For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.