cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5309499

After Biden’s meltdown, the Democrats are hoping to reenergize people with a supposedly “progressive” pick for Kamala Harris’ running mate.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      42·
      10 months ago

      Walz mobilized the entire MN national guard to crush the 20 uprising.

      That should be everything the left, PoC, anyone who thinks fascism is bad needs to know.

            • YEP [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              5·
              10 months ago

              Have you like deluded yourself you were about to lead a revolution? You are non stop posting about the national guard cracking down. You live in the American police state that’s what happens. I don’t think walz is some based hero or some dumbass shit he is just a compromise. I just don’t understand the point you are even trying to make.

              Edit: I don’t mean to come off agro if I did

                • YEP [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  2·
                  10 months ago

                  I really don’t think I’m trying to shit on them I apologized bc Im a hexbear poster, I come off as condescending when I don’t mean to be.

                  My objection is the non stop pooping on people that are celebrating the Dems not picking aipacs favorite in Shapiro or some demon like buttigeg.

                  I’m not saying walz is breaking the mold of an American politician on this stuff, it is actually just a fresh of breath of fresh air compared to the zealotry of Biden and Trump and w/e. Like I pushed for walz among my lib friends who like people like buttigeg and shapiro bc their political media diet is like seeing a soundbite of a bog standard dem being like “isn’t <insert neo nazi trump surrogate> crazy?”. I’m not voting for them, I kinda like that they picked someone who didn’t really compromise on things like lgbt legislation when he had a super slim majority as governor. I like that he was RELATIVELY dovish in Congress, voted against intervention in syria and against us aiding Saudis in Yemen ect. I’m not delusional and thing he is a brave anti imperialist. it literally the best that can happen in the imperial core.

                  It just feels like people are projecting everything that comes with living in the imperial core onto him. Please tell me if I’m off base.

        • sloth [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          I would rather have an outside force come in and restore order than letting two sides that hate each other escalate. I feel if Chauvin had been arrested sooner it would not have gotten to the point it did, but I’m not sure the Governor can just issue an arrest warrant and send the Marshals or whatever. Of course he could have done more with police reform, but I think he was up for re-election in 2020 2022. It’s politics or something.

      • sloth [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        10 months ago

        Sure it wasn’t a great response, however I could argue the NG actually were less violent and more restrained than the police would have been. Some of the NG were sincerely worried about killing people, not sure how many cops had that apprehension.

  • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    32·
    10 months ago

    I disagree. He’s not fake progressive. He’s a real progressive. Progressivism is the left side of liberalism and progressives often do bad things. Its fine to call things what they are. Just because “progressive” has positive connotations doesn’t mean we can just, be communists and say that progressivism is insufficient. We’re communists, not progressives.

      • HamManBad [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        19·
        10 months ago

        American progressives have always been imperialist. Historically they supported eugenics. He’s not mislabeled at all, in fact today’s progressives are much less rabid than the ones from the Teddy Roosevelt era

      • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        18·
        10 months ago

        I disagree that “progressives” cant be pro-Israel because social democrats in imperial core nations will always support imperialism. There were two people in all of congress who were consistent on Israel and one of them just got primaried. And I’m pretty sure they still stumbled on other questions related to imperialism. Like I said, progressivism isnt actually good, and the main way its not good is that “progressives” will support imperialism while supporting progressive policies domestically. For me, he fits the bill of what I expect of an American “progressive”, its just that progressivism isnt actually good lol. Almost all of us here are former progressive socdems so I think some of us still have an interest in keeping the label “pure” but we dont actually have to do that really. We’re communists, we left that behind. Social imperialists can have the label lol.

  • PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    14·
    10 months ago

    At some level I think the most damning thing is that he supported pay-as-you-go fiscal policies while in Congress. He could soften up on all three of these issues, throw major bones to unions, Palestinians, and the black liberation movement, the well would still be fundamentally poisoned as he believes neoliberal economics underpins it all.

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      10 months ago

      Rashida Tlaib, the only non-genocide politician

      Or fuck, someone who doesn’t hold elected office and is anti-genocide. Pick like, the leader of Jewish Voice for Peace or something like that. The VP pick doesn’t have to be a current politician, it can be literally anyone.

      Like 80% of the people on this website are eligible and have better positions than Tim Walz

      • sloth [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        I don’t disagree, those options would produce better results. Do you think they would win an election though?

        From what I’ve seen Walz is the most pro-palestine candidate they considered.

        • ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.netEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          I think a ham sandwich with a small bit of mold on the corner could win this election. Donald Trump is the most beatable presidential candidate in a generation. I’m pretty sure Shillary and Genocide Joe were some of the only people on earth who could lose to Trump.

          The only demographic that will lose the Dems this election is people pissed about the genocide. Picking Stephanie Fox (Director of JVP), for example, combined with calling for Biden to stop weapon sales would convince the one demographic they need to bring back.

          I do still think picking Walz was both a strategically sound choice and not the most evil thing the Dems could’ve done. If they wanted to lose and be the most evil while doing it they would’ve chosen Josh Shapiro.

          Also isn’t it fucking crazy that serving in a foreign military doesn’t disqualify you from being president? It should disqualify you from any elected office, from president down to school board.

          • sloth [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            I still agree with you. The problem is there isn’t a VP that guarantees a ceasefire, Kamala is still the ‘president’. Thank god it wasn’t Shapiro.

            • ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.netEnglish
              3·
              10 months ago

              Oh 100% I was saying if they wanted to actually guarantee that constituency they need to pick an anti-Israel VP and Kamala has to do a 180, the VP pick just helps solidify it