(I didn’t, largely since I’ve never watched a single episode, but the psychic damage and whiplash of Wholesome Pony Show having said this line was too fuckn much for me)

EDIT: More replies than upbears now. It’s probably an official struggle session now (although most of it is that one person). One must imagine SisyFEWs happy.

  • Crowtee_Robot [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    52·
    2 years ago

    Apple Jack is giving Twilight Sparkle the evil eye because she just lent her her copy of “Hammer and Hoof: Ponyville Communists During the Great Depression” but doesn’t seem to have even read it or any older works by writers like Kyüti Marx.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    39·
    2 years ago

    Its utterly ahistorical and revisionist, but at least serves to try and smooth the contradiction between working-class migrants and their native peers. Its also a children’s TV show, so if you’re not getting the full dialectical history of three centuries of Western Frontier politics… eh.

    At some level, kids TV should just steer clear of this shit entirely, because you’re not going to do it justice. But of all the shows I’m going to shit on for being liberal propaganda, MLP is trending towards the bottom of the list. I wish they had just… not. But also I live in a liberal hellscape so I’m not going to cry over a relatively minor offense.

      • Wheaties [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        2 years ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_of_Denali

        Molly of Denali (stylized as MOLLY of DENALI) is an animated children’s television series produced by Atomic Cartoons in association with WGBH Kids, created by Dorothea Gillim and Kathy Waugh for PBS Kids and CBC Kids. It premiered on July 15, 2019, and is the first American nationally distributed children’s show to feature an Alaska Native as the lead character. Thirty-eight half-hours were produced for season 1, which has a 50-minute special as its season finale.A special live-action segment filmed in Alaska airs between the two 11-minute story segments.

        On April 6, 2021, it was announced that the show had been renewed for two more seasons, whose second season premiered on November 1, 2021, and ended on October 10, 2022, after 14 episodes. The third season premiered on November 7, 2022.

        glad to know PBS Kids is still green-lighting new shows

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    31·
    2 years ago

    centrism is when the inconvenient fact of the indigenous people who cared about the buffalo population aren’t even worth a mention.

    (it occurs to me the possibility that the buffalo are explicitly a stand-in for indigenous people, but please don’t try to tell me that makes it better. otherwise, i’d like to show you a picture of some random frankish warrior and tell you that both the mongols and the europeans have use of the european peninsula. lottttta different nations and peoples to be mashing together into one representative that can’t have revolutionary intent right there.)

  • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    24·
    2 years ago

    The hatred of My Little Pony’s was the precursor to modern online fandom discourse. People’s online response to this show (good, bad, or indifferent) warped how the internet talks about fandom in a major way and online culture as whole in a lesser extent.

  • pooh [she/her, love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
    24·
    2 years ago

    I haven’t seen this episode, but could it be possible that Twilight Sparkle is simply talking about how material conditions drive historical change, rather than trying to morally justify the actions of the settlers? She is the book nerd of the group, so it would make sense that she’s read theory and is maybe attempting a Marxist analysis of settler-colonialism in Equestria.

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      51·
      2 years ago

      No, it’s literally just a call to stop the active conflict. That happens by letting the settlers keep all the land but giving the buffalo a stipend of food. Like it’s so absurdly egregious that there’s no soft reading of it in context.

      It also establishes the situation with the land use as a dichotomy between the settlers making productive use of the land vs the buffalo just leaving it barren and stomping around in it for fun. It does basically everything wrong, right up to its conclusion being that the buffalo stop resisting and just accept that the land isn’t theirs anymore, but they get a little bit of food thanks to the “productive” use of their land by settlers. It is basically a manifest destiny storybook narrative.

      • pooh [she/her, love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
        29·
        2 years ago

        For shits and giggles I asked ChatGPT to generate a Marxist analysis of the episode, and this was the result:

        My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" (MLP: FiM) can be analyzed from a variety of perspectives, and using Marxist theory is certainly one way to provide a critique of its content and subtexts. “Over a Barrel” is a particularly relevant episode for this, as it deals directly with themes of colonization, land disputes, and cultural understanding.

        1. Commodification and Land Ownership: The episode starts with the ponies transporting an apple tree, Bloomberg, to a distant town. This act in itself is a symbol of commodification – transforming nature into a product. The tree becomes a symbol of Applejack’s capitalist endeavors, a means of expanding her apple business.

        2. Colonization and Native Rights: When the ponies reach the town of Appleloosa, they discover that the settler ponies are in a dispute with the buffalo over the land. The buffalo claim that the land belongs to them and that they need it for their traditional stampeding grounds. The settler ponies, on the other hand, have begun to build a settlement and apple orchards on the land. This can be viewed as a parallel to historical colonization where indigenous populations were often pushed out of their traditional lands by settlers.

        3. Cultural Hegemony: The settler ponies, representing the dominant cultural force, display a lack of understanding or respect for buffalo traditions. The ponies’ expansion and settlement could be seen as an example of Gramsci’s concept of cultural hegemony – where one group’s cultural norms and values dominate and marginalize those of other groups.

        4. Conflict and Class Struggle: The central conflict between the buffalo and the settler ponies can be interpreted as a class struggle. The buffalo represent the oppressed proletariat, whose traditional ways and means of subsistence (the stampede) are threatened by the bourgeoisie represented by the settler ponies. The settler ponies’ apple orchard, particularly Bloomberg, can be seen as means of production, which they control at the expense of the buffalo’s traditional ways.

        5. Resolution and the Status Quo: The conflict is eventually resolved through compromise. The buffalo agree to let the apple orchard stay as long as there’s a path for them to stampede. While this seems like a happy ending, from a Marxist perspective, it can be viewed as maintaining the status quo. The bourgeoisie still controls the means of production (the apple orchard) while the proletariat (buffalo) have to adjust their traditional ways to fit the needs of the dominant class.

        6. Interpersonal Relationships vs. Systemic Issues: One could critique the episode for resolving a systemic issue – colonization and land rights – through personal understanding and friendship. While interpersonal understanding and communication are important, they often don’t address the underlying systemic issues. From a Marxist standpoint, this could be seen as an oversimplification of the complexities of class struggle.

        Conclusion: “Over a Barrel” provides a narrative that touches upon complex themes of colonization, land rights, and cultural hegemony. While the episode promotes understanding and friendship as a means to resolve conflicts, from a Marxist lens, it can also be interpreted as a narrative that simplifies systemic issues and supports the status quo. The episode offers a valuable platform for discussions on historical and ongoing struggles between indigenous populations and settler communities.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      2 years ago

      I like that you thought it was more likely that midnight sparkle was a Marxist than it was that a TV show made to advertise toys was liberal.

    • privatized_sun [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      2 years ago

      could it be possible that Twilight Sparkle is simply talking about how material conditions drive historical change,

      Marxists: “I love indigenous!”

      also Marxists: (shrieking about how “non-historical peoples” deserved to be genocided)