If Biden wins the primary, then you’re not on the side of not murdering trans people at all, because that’s not on the ballot. You’re on the side of doing nothing in the name of ideals. So I want to ask: will you choose to let my partner die by doing nothing in the name of ideals?
My partner and I are anarchists who participate in direct action. We’re doing everything we can the other 1460 days of the quadyear. We’re not having a conversation about those 1460 days. We’re having a conversation about the 1 other day. The day when the only choices on the ballot are “fascist”, “neoliberal”, and “no preference”. You don’t get to write a fourth thing on the ballot, the electoral system is a machine and it will interpret your actions within defined parameters. You either pick a defined parameter or the machine picks for you.
Now, you dodged the question last time because it made you uncomfortable to give a straight answer, so I’m going to ask it again: will the machine interpret your actions as doing nothing to prevent my partner’s death? Will you choose that outcome in the name of ideals?
I’m glad that you feel safe under Biden, i’m not being facetious, i genuinely am, but a million Gazans being terrorized, crippled and murdered daily by the dozens if not hundreds, by bombs supplied by Biden to a regime financially supported and militarily aided by Biden in commiting this genocide (a little reminder that US drones flying over Gaza give targeting information to the occupier so that it can more easily bomb children in refugee camps, doctors in hospitals, homes with entire families in them) do not feel so safe. By your logic, in voting for Biden you vote for their deaths. The only moral choice is to oppose ALL those who support and enable genocide, not just those who threaten you personally.
You can’t claim empathy and then accuse someone of liberalism in the same breath. It’s a two-faced attempt to give off the appearance of peace while provoking the enemy to aggression, which manipulates public perception. For my part, I will not abuse people’s perceptions, I will be honest. You’re a liberal fascist apologiser and you’re trying to get people killed.
No, that’s not my logic. You’ve misunderstood my logic and replaced it with your own. You think that voting is an act of condoning and you’re applying that to this situation. But I’ve been very clear that I think abstinence is a vote, and that you’re voting for Palestinians to be killed by Trump, who will not be as easy to sway with public opinion as Biden. You’ve fundamentally failed to have any cognitive empathy and to step outside your own pre-existing ideas. Therefore you think I must surely agree with your opinions that I am arguing against. This is nonsense thinking
you’re voting for Palestinians to be killed by Trump
First of all i’m not voting at all in US elections because i’m not American and don’t live in the US. But also, why does abstaining (which i’m not saying to do, if you think voting has an impact you can always vote third party or write in a candidate) count as a vote for Trump? A Republican could use the same argument as you to argue that: “If you abstain you are just giving your vote to Biden!”. How is their argument any different? The argument that abstaining means voting for party B only works if you want party A to win. A leftist should want neither to win since both are enemies of the working class.
who will not be as easy to sway with public opinion as Biden
I’m not seeing Biden being swayed by public opinion at all, the only ones who seem to sway him are the neocon warmongers, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex. He continues to enthusiastically aid and abet the genocide of Palestine despite massive and repeated protests. He continues to back NATO militarization, anti-Russia, anti-China and anti-Iran war posturing. He has started to bomb yet another middle eastern country with his strikes on Yemen. And that’s if you actually believe that he is the one making the decisions.
I think you’re fooling yourself into believing in a version of the Democratic party that does not exist outside its supporters’ propaganda rhetoric. It’s just strange for someone choosing to call themselves an anarchist to functionally be indistinguishable from a liberal in their views on bourgeois elections…
P.S. I’ve tried to be polite and restrained in my responses so far but if i were you i wouldn’t have the cheek to accuse others of lacking empathy when you don’t even have enough empathy for Palestinians to stop voting for a party that is helping and defending their murderers.
You’re constructing a false dichotomy between supporting electoralism and not voting. And you’re conflating voting with supporting electoralism. I don’t support the US, I don’t support Biden in any single tiny way that can harm socialists or socialism, and my partner’s vote does not make the US electoral system stronger. There’s nothing I’ve said which in any way helps capitalist false democracy maintain power. You’re inventing false positions and false actions to attribute to me.
It’s Germany 1937, and you’re telling me that Göring isn’t perfect, but he’s the best Nazi we’ve got, instead of just opposing the entire system for its inhumanity
If it were 1937 and I were in Germany, I’d be in a concentration camp because I’m trans. I don’t think I’m going to be submitting any ballots from there. But if by some miracle the Nazis set up a voting booth in Auschwitz, I would cast my vote for Göring in between fashioning a lump of broken brick into a shiv with which to stab the first Nazi bastard I get my hands on.
You seem to think that ballots are made of nitroglycerin and that Biden is stuffing his votes into bombs for Israel to drop on Gaza. I assure you, the number of votes cast in the Federal election does not affect the US military’s munitions capacity.
The only difference between you and Shapiro is that he wants the next genocide to exclude his people and you want the next genocide to exclude trans people.
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If Biden wins the primary, then you’re not on the side of not murdering trans people at all, because that’s not on the ballot. You’re on the side of doing nothing in the name of ideals. So I want to ask: will you choose to let my partner die by doing nothing in the name of ideals?
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My partner and I are anarchists who participate in direct action. We’re doing everything we can the other 1460 days of the quadyear. We’re not having a conversation about those 1460 days. We’re having a conversation about the 1 other day. The day when the only choices on the ballot are “fascist”, “neoliberal”, and “no preference”. You don’t get to write a fourth thing on the ballot, the electoral system is a machine and it will interpret your actions within defined parameters. You either pick a defined parameter or the machine picks for you.
Now, you dodged the question last time because it made you uncomfortable to give a straight answer, so I’m going to ask it again: will the machine interpret your actions as doing nothing to prevent my partner’s death? Will you choose that outcome in the name of ideals?
I’m glad that you feel safe under Biden, i’m not being facetious, i genuinely am, but a million Gazans being terrorized, crippled and murdered daily by the dozens if not hundreds, by bombs supplied by Biden to a regime financially supported and militarily aided by Biden in commiting this genocide (a little reminder that US drones flying over Gaza give targeting information to the occupier so that it can more easily bomb children in refugee camps, doctors in hospitals, homes with entire families in them) do not feel so safe. By your logic, in voting for Biden you vote for their deaths. The only moral choice is to oppose ALL those who support and enable genocide, not just those who threaten you personally.
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You can’t claim empathy and then accuse someone of liberalism in the same breath. It’s a two-faced attempt to give off the appearance of peace while provoking the enemy to aggression, which manipulates public perception. For my part, I will not abuse people’s perceptions, I will be honest. You’re a liberal fascist apologiser and you’re trying to get people killed.
No, that’s not my logic. You’ve misunderstood my logic and replaced it with your own. You think that voting is an act of condoning and you’re applying that to this situation. But I’ve been very clear that I think abstinence is a vote, and that you’re voting for Palestinians to be killed by Trump, who will not be as easy to sway with public opinion as Biden. You’ve fundamentally failed to have any cognitive empathy and to step outside your own pre-existing ideas. Therefore you think I must surely agree with your opinions that I am arguing against. This is nonsense thinking
First of all i’m not voting at all in US elections because i’m not American and don’t live in the US. But also, why does abstaining (which i’m not saying to do, if you think voting has an impact you can always vote third party or write in a candidate) count as a vote for Trump? A Republican could use the same argument as you to argue that: “If you abstain you are just giving your vote to Biden!”. How is their argument any different? The argument that abstaining means voting for party B only works if you want party A to win. A leftist should want neither to win since both are enemies of the working class.
I’m not seeing Biden being swayed by public opinion at all, the only ones who seem to sway him are the neocon warmongers, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex. He continues to enthusiastically aid and abet the genocide of Palestine despite massive and repeated protests. He continues to back NATO militarization, anti-Russia, anti-China and anti-Iran war posturing. He has started to bomb yet another middle eastern country with his strikes on Yemen. And that’s if you actually believe that he is the one making the decisions.
I think you’re fooling yourself into believing in a version of the Democratic party that does not exist outside its supporters’ propaganda rhetoric. It’s just strange for someone choosing to call themselves an anarchist to functionally be indistinguishable from a liberal in their views on bourgeois elections…
P.S. I’ve tried to be polite and restrained in my responses so far but if i were you i wouldn’t have the cheek to accuse others of lacking empathy when you don’t even have enough empathy for Palestinians to stop voting for a party that is helping and defending their murderers.
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You’re constructing a false dichotomy between supporting electoralism and not voting. And you’re conflating voting with supporting electoralism. I don’t support the US, I don’t support Biden in any single tiny way that can harm socialists or socialism, and my partner’s vote does not make the US electoral system stronger. There’s nothing I’ve said which in any way helps capitalist false democracy maintain power. You’re inventing false positions and false actions to attribute to me.
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If it were 1937 and I were in Germany, I’d be in a concentration camp because I’m trans. I don’t think I’m going to be submitting any ballots from there. But if by some miracle the Nazis set up a voting booth in Auschwitz, I would cast my vote for Göring in between fashioning a lump of broken brick into a shiv with which to stab the first Nazi bastard I get my hands on.
You seem to think that ballots are made of nitroglycerin and that Biden is stuffing his votes into bombs for Israel to drop on Gaza. I assure you, the number of votes cast in the Federal election does not affect the US military’s munitions capacity.
Ah, now it makes sense.
As a supporter of Ukraine, don’t you mean 1488?
The only difference between you and Shapiro is that he wants the next genocide to exclude his people and you want the next genocide to exclude trans people.