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Lemmy creators are overloaded with the massive afflux of people generating 100s of bug reports and questions on top of all their work.
Make sure you donate to help them spend more time on the project!
I’m using Lemmynade
One of the last messages from the developer of Sync had said they were considering making a Sync for Lemmy… The guy’s attention to detail and customizability of Sync for Reddit has me hoping real hard for that.
I would actually spend money on Lemmy Sync. Though I’d also love if some of the Reddit app devs went grey hat and implemented token spoofing like Twidere on Android has for Twitter - that app lets me view my Mastodon “timeline” and Twitter timeline in the same feed by telling Twitter’s API that it’s totally the normal iPhone Twitter app.
That would be amazing. I’m sure it would be a lot of work, but I don’t think he would be starting from scratch. I would think he could use many existing components. I’m sure many people would pay for it, I know I would.
Someone posted a Github link to a initial method of displaying Lemmy via a Reddit app but I bet it’s incredibly basic and buggy, maybe that will be a starting point for it though? 🤞🏼
Oh my god if JDL made Sync for Lemmy I would buy it yesterday. I was a Sync Dev user for like 5 years, such a great app and the developer is amazing.
I’m 11 years into using Sync.
My first year of college, the only smart device I had was an iPod Touch. After I found Reddit, I installed Alien Blue on the iPod as my first Reddit app experience.
A couple years later, I bought my first real smartphone, which ran Android. And I was so keen to try to find “the Alien Blue of Android” I tried probably half a dozen Reddit apps. It didn’t take me long to recognize Sync as the uncontested best of the lot, and I’ve been using it ever since.
Until now.
Absolutely! Sync was my favorite Reddit app. It’s perfect. Take my money guys.
Considering the Reddit API changes are leaving an enormous amount of mobile dev talent flapping in the breeze, I’m really looking forward to seeing some really innovative apps in the nearish future.
holy shit we’re devolving back to rage memes? Last I saw this shit I rode a yellow bus to school
How long was this bus
as my girlfriend likes to tell me, length isn’t relevant.
Is the bus purple now or something?
c/thebusispurple
We need a better solution for fedichains
I wonder if there is a country or municipality somewhere where the busses are purple. They can’t all be yellow, surely.
I’ve been using Jerboa for Lemmy on Android. It’s pretty good so far. Still getting the hang of Lemmy in general.
Same… I’m pretty confused about some stuff but it’s close enough to reddit to where I’m kinda figuring it out
I’m using Lemmynade
Using it too reminds me of infinity for Reddit
I used to use Relay for reddit, and jerboa feels really familiar. It’s development really picked up last release too. Still having an issue getting back to a comment context from a reply in my inbox, but I think that’s a bug from last release and there’s a pull request already.
There are some bugs and an advance user may not like it but for a simple lurker as myself Jeroba has been working wonders. 100% recomend
Jerboa has been working well for me so far as well but I am pretty new too. It has been somewhat easy to navigate but I am trying to learn the whole fediverse thing at the same time.
Are you really a lurker if you’re already commenting? (Speaking as a recovering lurker)
Totally fair. I’m brand new today so it’s been nice to play around with to get used to Lemmy. Still no idea to view things I subscribed to but I’m sure I’ll learn!
I assume there isn’t really any app for Lemmy on iOS? I didn’t find anything. I didn’t expect to, but still disappointing.
Same but its incredibility buggy and unintuitive for me
It definitely has bugs. I had to load this thread 8 times to get the correct comments to load. Some of this could be user error, buts it’s a free app that works pretty dang well.
I’m pretty sure its the only actively maintained app on f-droid
Yeah, it’s barely working for me at all, and I’ve been trying it for at least a week now. Sometimes I’ve written out long comments only for them to just vanish forever with a little error message.
Same here.
I’ve gotten in the habit of copying my comments before submitting them, just in case. Including this one.
Me2. But I do not see an option to add my kbin account nor my mastodon. I think it would be cool if this feels more integrative as in one app with different sections/views for the fediverse
I wish there was a way to have one account linked to multiple instances. Admittedly I don’t understand this fediverse thing so i may be wrong about this but requiring a new account for every instance will get increasingly tiresome as the site grows and more instances are created.
If you have an account on an instance, you can see anything on other instances it federates with
FWIW, any account can subscribe to any (federated) community. Right now it’s really difficult to do through Jerboa itself, so I usually do it through the web app.
Is kbin.social just another community? And kbin just another app which presents said communities a bit different?
I have a mastodon, Lemmy and kbin account and would love to have one place to view all my subscribed content…
Yes. On kbin they are called magazines, but they show up as communities for me in the jerboa app even though my account is with lemmyworld.
I’m on Android and it seems to me like there is no other app but Jerboa for Lemmy.
All I need is an iOS client that fucking works!
Yes, buying an iPhone 8 was the worst decision I ever made
the safari iOS experience is not great
Yeah, I’ve been on it for a few days while I’m traveling. It’s a lot better now that cloudflare has been removed. But it’s still not great. Mostly I need more magazines. m/all is filled with the same ones over and over and they aren’t quite my vibe.
So I’m not the only one experiencing weird jittery scrolling that jumps around on its own for no reason?
Does this jumping around happen once you get past the first page? Because if you’re on the front page it will load new posts automatically which will screw with your scrolling. Idk. Why it does this but once you’re on page 2 it’s fine.
It happened even while I was typing the above comment. Replying to you now doesn’t seem to do it, maybe because only 2 comments are visible in this view. I guess the full comment thread also tries to load new comments automatically?
Also, scrolling around sometimes abruptly loses momentum, which is very jarring on iOS.
Since instances love to defederate so much, we need an app to connect everything together again.
-Giuseppe Garibaldi
“The Federated Universe is neither federated nor universal” - Voltaire
Just like Random Variables
What about this Garibaldi
Since instances love to defederate so much
Hyperbole?
Not really
I’m waiting for an account switcher like Sync has. You could log in to one, type a comment and before submitting choose one of your other logged in accts to comment from.
Pretty sure Jerboa on Android has the ability to add multiple accounts.
It does. But what I want is say I’m browsing using one account and I see a post. I’d like the option of commenting from one of my other signed in accounts without logging into it and navigating to the thread again.
Been using sync for years and didn’t even know this was a feature 😂
Maybe it’s a pro feature idk. When writing a comment the sync buttons above your keyboard, the one that looks two people. Tap it and it let’s you choose what account to temporarily post from.
I see, and understand the point you were making with your original comment now. It’s only a matter of time before we get other app alternatives that add these features. Maybe the Sync devs will be releasing a Lemmy client following the implementation of Reddit’s API changes.
Yes, it absolutely does.
It does, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t let you combine them into one feed.
Also MLEM on iOS
You are suggesting we make the app better suited to astroturfing?
That’s going to come back to bite us.
What? No. Maybe I wasn’t clear with what I wrote. Can you explain what you mean and how you got that from my comment?
They may be thinking that you were suggesting a tool that would allow multiple accounts on a server (which would promote sock-puppeting). I assume that when you said “account” you meant “server” (with a single account).
Ah, I see how that could have been unclear. Thank you.
Oof, inbuilt sock-puppeting support. Not a great look.
If someone really wants to do that then a lack of this feature isn’t going to stop them.
I may be just a pie-in-the-sky optimist but I think the duplicate communities thing will die down eventually. Natural selection will do it’s thing and we’ll all eventually settle in specific communities on specific instances.
Based on the nature of life itself all living things become specialized over time. This includes creatures, jobs, products, communities, etc. So what’s likely to happen is some communities will die out or be abandoned while others will thrive and yet others will simply become more specialized.
Hypothetical example: /m/gifs on Kbin might become the place to find perfect loops and high quality/serious stuff while /m/gifs on some other instance might become the place for animated silliness.
I think so too, however we need some discoverability of these instances. At the very least we should be able to easily search for and subscribe to communities from different instances, and have some UI to easily navigate these.
The thing is, due to how federation works, this cannot work. Federation is not an automatic thing that happens to instances; instances can only know about other instances if they send a request to another instance or vice versa, to discover them.
The closest thing to a solution will always be things like https://browse.feddit.de, or some implementation of opt-in relays, like the microblogging platforms use.
I need to do some reading on how the fediverse works under the hood but if browse,feddit.de has visbility of all instances then certaintly there is a way for any instance that chooses to federate to have visibility into the fediverse
It doesn’t have visbility of all instances in existence, as this is impossible. What it will do is crawl the “known fediverse”, which is done by crawling known instances and then crawling known instances to those known instances, and so on.
Basically, the Fediverse is just separate websites talking to each other, there is no actual fediverse entity so to speak.
That makes sense, but I am failing to see the issue. As long as one instance, or any single user from one instance makes that instance aware of the existence of another instance (currently by pasting the url of that instance in the community search), that is now visible and discoverable to all users.
Or worst case, your instance calls some aggregator, like browse.feddit.de to fetch all known instances.
All I am asking for a better UI for viewing content across these instances. What that looks like I am not totally sure. > Communities
I mean if you look at https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1, you can already see a bunch of communities from other instances
I have to admit I’m not sure what you’re asking anymore, what exactly would a “better UI for viewing content across these instances” be? You can already search for communities that your instance knows about (and force it to search for any instances that you know elsewhere) using the search system, and browsing the All feed will show you all posts from communities/instances that your instance knows about as well. Trying searching gaming to see what I mean
I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.
It sounds to me like you’re asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.
That’s because I am confused on what I am asking for myself, but I can’t figure it out until I have discussions about it.
I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.
This is one thing. Another is a being able to possibly toggle views of different instances within one UI. Another is something like multireddits, where you can view multiple communities contents together (/r/funny from one instance, and another).
It sounds to me like you’re asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.
Thats a reasonable concern. The problem however I see is that if you don’t have way to easily discover communities, or have a way in which communities link to each other, then you end up with a single or perhaps couple massive instances and were essentially back to where we started.
Back in the day, the single entry point of discoverability used to be Google. You’d search for some topic and come onto some forum of that topic. That’s no longer really an option. If every instance is isolated on its own domain with no gateway between them, I don’t see much point to the fediverse.
The biggest problem to starting a new social media alternative has been the critical mass needed. I see the fediverse as a way of solving this problem, as you already have a bunch of users/content which can be shared with new instances.
I think “duplicated” communities is a problem even on a centralized service, to a lesser degree, since you can create a community with same intentions, but different names (e.g. c/video, c/videos). I’m also optimistic they will sort out with time
One thing I’m worried about here with the duplicated communities though is the same thing that was happening on Reddit in the last couple years, new astroturfed communities popping up with a decided slant. Like how /r/economy came out of nowhere despite /r/economics being an existing huge subreddit, and /r/economy having a noticeable conservative bent. Lemmy doesn’t seem a ton more susceptible to it than Reddit was, but discovering new popular communities does seem to be very much a desired feature here.
I don’t think Beehaw has it figured out, but the idea of making signups more onerous definitely makes sense to limit bots, advertisers, and state actors.
Agree, the fragmentation of communities is a stumbling block for adoption and for the coalescing of users to solidified groups that adopt identities and cultures. This is a huge advantage when looking at centralized systems like reddit. My hope is that there will be some version of natural selection but that it occurs sooner than later
Even on reddit their were multiple subreddits that were very similar. r/oculus r/oculusquest r/quest2 r/virualreality and many more ar and xr subbreddits I was subscribed to. Much of the same content were on all of them. As the user base here grows it won’t be an issue, some similar communities will be bigger some smaller and there’s room for everything.
Yeah i hope this happens I just hope sizable communities form faster so more adoption moves here.
Im not sure what you’re saying. Personally I want to avoid one huge centralized “community” as it no longer ceases to be a community.
It makes sense to me that different userbases have different /r/funny with different content that they find funny. Otherwise you just have one appeal to the lowest common denominator content.
My concern is adoption for most people is a matter of content to interact with and if the groups are too disparate they may not foster adoption.
It is, only that on reddit you had the possibility of one r/video and one r/videos but here you have the possibility of 20+ different c/video and 20+ different c/videos so it’ll take much longer to form a main community and then you have the chance of an instance suddenly disappearing for whatever reason and then the whole process starts again.
I believe there’s some discussion about this on the github.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3071
Some interesting ideas in that thread.
There are plenty of duplicate communities on Reddit, it doesn’t really matter.
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WHAT DO WE WANT?
AN APP THAT COULD FEDERATE INTO A SINGLE FEED ALL OUR LEMMY/KBIN/BEEHAW ACCOUNTS EITHER THE INSTANCES ARE FEDERATED OR NOT!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! NO PRESSURE BUT… LIKE… SOON?
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It feels like every post on Lemmy at the moment is “Why isn’t this Reddit? Make it Reddit!”
“Just an idea”, if you want Reddit, go to Reddit.
My brother in christ no one wants reddit premium
We had reddit. They are going to take it away on July 1st. We are looking for a replacement. Lemmy doesn’t have to be that replacement, but that is what people are looking for.
What we want is our shit in one place, without one asshole controlling what we see. Is that really such an impossible dream?
And I initially liked lemmy because or the small friendly community but I’m starting to run into the same issues reddit had as more people come to lemmy. Oh well!
I just got here from reddit and have no idea how this place works. All I know is that if you want all the reddit users to help this place grow someone needs to do a better job of explaining how it works or it needs to get way simpler.
If you don’t want all the reddit refugees that’s fine too. Carry on!
Well, you joined a big instance which could have downsides. As some communities will have alrwsy decided not to share content. Either way make sure you’re sorting by “all” and not “local” to get the full experience.
There’s a slight difference in wanting the fediverse having the same usability as Reddit and it actually being Reddit.
Yes! I was just reading a post from the authors of Lemmy on lemmy.ml, and noticed I was not logged in. I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct? However, I am not sure how, and I think a lot of people would just try logging in normally, since it’s just Lemmy, right? Lemmy.ml might be safe, but I think it could be possible to confuse people into entering their password for fediverse sites on malicious instances, which steal their credentials. It’s a little bit confusing to noobs like myself to be honest.
An app that can manage credentials and post properly across compatible instances and show informative messages to notify the user if and why they cannot post would be very useful, managing multiple accounts seamlessly even more useful!
Well think about it with this crude kind of inaccurate analogy.
You have a windows laptop. Your friend has a windows laptop. When you’re logged in to your laptop you can send your friend email. And see his emails to you.
But just because your laptop is windows and his laptop is windows doesn’t mean your windows log-in would work on his right? Lemmy works more like that. Reddit is kind of like one large windows laptop and everyone gets their own keyboard. Your log in works no matter which keyboard you use.
You may notice that Lemmy communities have the @ symbol like an email. So tech@lemmy.world is different from tech@lemmy.ml (just like how robert@yahoo.com is not the same account as robert@gmail.com). They MAY be made by the same Robert but there’s no guarantee.
You really just need one account. So in the communities tab from your instance (Lemmy.world) you can search for the community on the other instance (Lemmy.ml) for example tech@lemmy.ml.
Your account let’s you post and comment on @lemmy.ml posts
Even when you understand all that, though, it does just feel weird and unintuitive that you have to search for the community you want to interact with from within your home instance, and can’t just directly go to that instance’s website, e.g. beehaw.org, and log in.
Having an app (including a desktop app) to point people to that would just consolidate everything for a given user so that it’s more intuitive, and so that you can easily switch between accounts or set it up to see posts from all your accounts together, would make it a lot easier on newbies, and make navigation more convenient for everyone else as well.
You don’t need to make multiple accounts though? You go to lemmy.world, or wherever your account is and find your communities, anywhere in the fediverse from there.
To expand on the above analogy, if you are on your laptop, and your buddy is on his laptop hooked to the same network and you need a file off his computer you don’t go to that computer to create an account and get the file, you just access it through the network you are both attached to. You can make comments and post all through the network.
Coming from reddit is fun app, I don’t really understand how what you’re proposing would work. You want the same functionality of having a separate account on each instance, but consolidated into one app to easy switch between accounts/instances, right?
If we translate this use case into the existing rif app layout, the subreddit selector panel on the left would need to have like lemmy instances instead of subreddits, with communities nested under each instance.
So you would have a different frontpage for each instance, which consisted of only the posts for communities hosted by that instance. Maybe I’m on the wrong track here, or you have a better idea of how it’d work.
How is that better or more intuitive than just having one personal frontpage for all of your subscribed communities? That way you don’t even need to make a conscious decision to browse beehaw posts, they’re just in the same feed as everything else.
I feel like it’s more about the way you’re thinking about posts being hosted on a particular server and what that means. In the context of Lemmy it only means something where the post you want is on an instance that’s been defederated from for whatever reason, and even then only in terms of community discovery. Otherwise it’s kinda meaningless in terms of your interaction with posts.
Thinking of the given community as a community ‘on beehaw’ per se is only really pertinent in cases where the fact it’s on beehaw alone has some kind of impact on how you interact with it, e.g moderation style. But even in that case, moderation style could equally be an attribute you ascribe to the community itself, rather than beehaw. e.g. preferring r/games over r/gaming.
This way it makes more sense to think of the community as a lemmy community than a beehaw one, which seems fairly intuitive to me. Plus, that way the instance is doing the link aggregation and not your phone, which would be problematic for users and for scaling the ecosystem
GNU + Linux laptop
View Lemmy.ml from the Lemmy.world instance
I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct?
I think the difference is whether you’re viewing lemmy.ml directly (as in, the URL in your browser starts with https://lemmy.ml/), or whether you’re viewing it via lemmy.world (or whichever site you have an account on).
for example, you can see other lemmy.ml community and post there by going to its @ like putting
https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.mlin the address bar, lets you access asklemmy on lemmy.ml via lemmy.world, and I think you can directly post to that community without login again with that instance’s credential.I wish there was a “log in from other instance” button, but I don’t know how you’d implement that.
I expected the same and became confused trying to log in another instance.
I.w
I have not seen the need to manage multiple accounts so far. I am logged into thelemmy.club but am subscribed to lemmy.world which works fine since it is federated. I am able to reply to you from thelemmy.club. Most of the content I follow is from other (non club) servers and have not had any issues interacting with people.
You would need a separate account to participate in instances your home instance isn’t federated with, ie anyone logged into lemmy.world would need a different account to use beehaw
I think this is where I lucked out when I had so many issues creating an account on lemmy.world. I ended up making an account at thelemmy.club instead and it seems I can see and respond to all content from here so far.
I’m actually kind of enjoying the partitioned nature of the fed. I use the Jerboa app when on mobile to access Lemmy, and when I’m on my PC I use kbin.
When I was on reddit, I’d switch from mobile to PC or vice versa and just see all the content I just browsed on my other device. Now it’s a fresh batch every time I make the switch (which is pretty regularly!).
That said, I wouldn’t be opposed to a unifier. I remember back when AOL Instant Messenger and the 5 or so similar IM services were the cream of the internet, and keeping up with friends on each was a real pain in the ass. Then a program called “Trillian” came along and linked them all together with one clean interface, and it was fucking amazing. I could definitely see the fed benefiting from a similar service.
Trillian was good stuff. Then came Pidgin, which was free and open source if I recall correctly. At one point I had AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Gtalk, and ICQ all going at once.
Pidgin was the (bird) shit
keep up the posting, keep up the support, keep up the donations, and it’ll happen
An equivalent of multireddits would suffice, I think.
